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31 minutes ago, Woofers and Tweeters said:
Instead of making a spread of statements and asking so many different questions, maybe just ask something like ~ How to get started, or what should a person buy first?
State what you like to listen to, what your budget is, and the room size you hope to set up your system. I do believe that this approach will yield information from people who want to help and get you going in the right direction.
Thanks, and this is the bit of the other dilemma. What I like to listen to, '60s Rock, and what everybody else likes to listen to, movie theater immersion, are two completely different speakers, yet I'm trying to get by with one set. I want to use a nice respectable tube amp playing records, my wife and kids want to use a massive amp to live the movies. Also, I like to find out the theory and all about things, so why 3-way instead of 2-way and why not 4-way?
The budget is about $2000, but I have thought about going higher to get the Cornwall but it would have to be a Cornwall I, which is above $2000 but still within reach and not as much as Cornwall IV. And I would never thought of the Forte IV except for the suggestions here. I was strictly focused on the RF7-III until I started doing more research.
It is interesting, because I was reading one the comments from one of the comparisons by Paducah Home Theater, "Heritage vs. Reference," and sama kind of summed it up:
@sama7545
1 year ago (edited)
I tried both in my home and ultimately decided on the RF7iii’s. It’s in a mixed use set up, maybe 60% movies and games, and 40% music. The forte’s sounded more spacious and wide and had better imaging and soundstage, but lacked a bit of punch focus for movies and games. They also sounded low to the ground when tied to movie and game soundtracks and panning effects (with a tv mounted up on the wall between them). It just felt distracting and kept taking me out of the experience. They have very different sound signatures (with the mids on the Heritage line being substantially more noticeable), but neither is “bad”, just different. Ultimately I decided on the RF7iii’s because it could do both really well. I knew I was getting a 85-90% optimal experience in both use cases, instead of a 95% in music and a 65-70% in movies and games. It is NOT an easy choice. I went back and forth several times when trying to decide. I still think about Fortes (and to be honest the Heresy’s as well) from time to time, but I know that I did the work and remember the comparisons in my room, and ultimately decided on the most balanced solution for my use case.
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40 minutes ago, Flevoman said:
There is only a Chorus 1 and 2, both great speakers by the way but no longer for sale.
I think you ment to say Cornwall 4
Yes, thanks for catching my mistake.
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9 hours ago, Schu said:
Three way is better than a two way???
So is a four way better than a three way?
What about a single driver???
Maybe Schu, as an expert, somewhat said this in a bit of humor, but me as a non-expert truly wonder and am confused, why not four, or five? It can't be cost, as Klipsch makes top-of-the-line speakers. Somewhat, isn't that what the Tekton speaker does?
4 hours ago, Flevoman said:In my opinion, the choice between RF7 and Heresy is somewhat odd. A more logical counterpart for the RF7, in my opinion, would be the Forte instead of the Heresy.
And this is why I appreciate the people here. Yes, Flevoman and MMurg both suggested the Forte, which I had never looked into. And then there's the Chorus IV, suggested by 001, but those seem financially out of reach. I could possibly get a Chorus I, but then the questions start again as what's the difference between I and IV, and IV must be better because Klipsch must be improving the speakers along the way, but is it that much dollar-wise better?
1 hour ago, Woofers and Tweeters said:It's a journey, not a destination.
Yes, I'm just hoping I don't get derailed along the way.
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OK, it seems I've figured out that the Forte IV is a 3-way speaker.
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001 wants to get me in trouble!
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See, that's the other dilemma, as no I haven't heard any of them. I just know I like Klipsch. One of them, or all of them maybe, but I have to choose one.
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35 minutes ago, MMurg said:
With respect to Klipsch speakers in particular, it's not simply that a speaker is 2-way or 3-way. ... To my ears the 3-way Klipsch consumer speakers and the fully-horn-loaded ones (whether 3-way or 2-way like the Jubilee) sound more effortless, cleaner, less veiled, and more accurate in the mid-range. I call it the Klipsch "mid-range magic".
The difference in the bass response is mainly due to the RF-7 III having a much larger cabinet volume. The larger 3-way Klipsch speakers can go lower than the Heresy as well. The Forte IV might be closer to the "equivalent" of the RF-7 III in the Heritage line.
I'm going to say "That's it!" And thanks of course. I somewhat suspected that 3-way was better than 2-way, but it ends up being more complex.
I want to listen to '60s records, others here want the 5.1 movie experience at home. And I end up confused about how the best way to do that. Heresy IV with the subwoofer in 5.1 and then Heresy IV with or without a subwoofer to listen to records, or use the RF7-III and not need the subwoofer to listen to the records and have the incredible 5.1 system. Or maybe the Forte IV might be the ultimate, but I have never looked at them.
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5 minutes ago, wuzzzer said:
I have always preferred Klipsch 3-way speakers over any Klipsch 2-way speaker that I’ve had. If you watch movies or like music with a lot of bass you’ll want a subwoofer or two with Heresys.
So if it is the 2-channel output, with two Heresys, can the subwoofer then still be somehow used when listening?
And yes, I admit, you're trying to explain it to somebody who is fairly confused, but I appreciate.
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3 hours ago, babadono said:
What's a Heritage IV? Did you mean Heresy?
OK, yes, that is my mistake, it is the Heritage series, but the Heresy IV.
I did go back and fix it in the original post.
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OK, yes, if you've heard both, but I'm hoping for a bit more technical explanation.
One detail is the RF7-III is 2-way passive, but the Heresy IV is 3-way passive. As much as I've tried to research, I'm somewhat only understanding that the 3-way is better for the midrange, but the 2-way is better for the bass? This is probably the aspect that has me most confused. Is 2-way passive really best for 2-Channel Home Audio, and 3-way best for when there is a subwoofer?
The RF7-III has a wider frequency range, and greater sensitivity (100 vs 99 so not a huge difference).
The Heresy IV doesn't seem to be a "poor man's RF7-III," but somewhat a different speaker for a different reason but I can't figure this out either.
I have watched the Paducah Home Theater test, and I know Cory answers many questions here, so maybe he will help. I came away from that video though more confused than I did before, because from that video it seems the Heresy IV is much better, but then 10 guys come on and say oh no the RF7-III is much better.
Greatly appreciate any help!
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Hey billybob, you've got 21.2k posts, EXPERT in my opinion!
And as a serious note, you and all the people who take the time to make the posts are greatly appreciated.
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At the moment it is RF7II and the RC7 center, and the R112SW. It has been fine for some time. As an aside, I can't imagine why people have two subwoofers, just this one shakes the room.
But, there is an opportunity and I could get an additional two RP-600m ii speakers. Then I'd have the 5.1 system. I've been trying to research, and on a rare occasion the RP-600m (or RP-600m ii) has been mentioned as rear speakers. One suggestion was from 001, with 73.3k posts (at that time) so I'm thinking they know what they're talking about.
So I'm hoping an expert or two might help out.
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Did anybody check further with the detail from the website
https://www.cannonsafe.com/digital-vs-mechanical-locks/
Negatives:
- Batteries must be changed every 6 to 12 months
- May experience temporary lockout if batteries are allowed to die
So has Cannon explained about the "temporary lockout?" As Cannon might say, it depends on your definition of temporary.
I also am highly skeptical that there are dozens of different digital locks, I'd get another one and at least try to connect it. It would be a bit ironic if the modern safecracker only needed a new digital lock to switch for the safe they're breaking into.
Finally, is it possible that the handle has jammed the locking release?
I doubt that any of my theories are any better than Dave's, but still might be worth a try.
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If somebody is interested in getting these on the east coast and going far south to GA or FL, I've dealt with a guy who is excellent and might be able to help. He will do maybe one trip per month, so you'd have to be patient too. I don't understand why Dave (wvu80) hasn't added them to his collection, at least they'd be getting closer to Florida.
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OK, I too will have to say all "a", since I'm really wanting something for spending my time on this, but with an asterisk to question #3.
It is a little known fact, but Gunga Din, the 1939 movie, had a huge impact worldwide!! How could it not with Cary Grant and Douglas Fairbanks, Jr., not to mention the guy who played Gunga Din, Sam Jaffee. OK, I said I wouldn't mention him, but I had to. According to Wikipedia, "in 1999, Gunga Din was deemed "culturally significant" by the United States Library of Congress and selected for preservation in the National Film Registry." Culturally significant. So to all those who have slighted this great movie, now you know.
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Well, that must have been a great deal, here it is an hour later and it is deleted.
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11 hours ago, ZEUS121996 said:
OK, here's the message I sent to ZEUS121996 on Friday at 5:17 p.m (Remember, this is over the Thanksgiving/BlackFriday holiday with everything else that is going on).:
Hello Mark,
I was just letting you know that I haven't heard anything about meeting to pick up the speakers.
I don't know if you want to see with the seller what times would be OK, or if you want to give me the seller's phone number and I'll contact him.
I will most likely go to his house, as that will be one less loading and unloading.
Thanks.
Kevin
Never heard back from ZEUS121996. Instead he posts here. Doesn't bother to send a PM first.
I was actually up a bit early on Sunday morning now to see if I could be getting the 35 miles or so over there to Tampa. So a 70 mile round trip.
I even had a possibility of a guy to bring them back to Chicago, but I did say I thought ZEUS121996 would probably have to pay him something, because the guy was more of a friend of a friend of a friend, That would have been a 100 mile or so round trip to meet that guy up north of Orlando.
I asked for nothing for doing this, and wouldn't have accepted anything either. Of course, ZEUS121996 never offered either. It was supposed to help somebody on this forum, where there are so many great people.
This guy is actually some rich guy who used to partially own a racehorse, and can EASILY pay for shipping, yet he wants somebody else to do it for nothing.
So good luck to anybody else who wants to try to help. It proves the saying "No good deed goes unpunished."
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On 11/17/2018 at 9:10 AM, Budman said:
my first estate sale, got lucky and brought them home
Didn't Budman tell a much more detailed story about this purchase? I thought I read about a guy grabbing a tag, but now I can't find the story.
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If you haven't already added these, and no I didn't get to purchase them. I'm assuming sold for $1800.:
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5 hours ago, ZEUS121996 said:
I still have the deal but they have to be out in the next week or so.
Mark
If they can be picked up next Saturday, Sunday, or Monday I can see about getting over there.
Before then is fairly questionable, but if it is critical I can try to shift priorities.
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If you're ABSOLUTELY desperate, and Youthman can't keep them in his living room for a few months, I am in Bartow and could go to Tampa and bring them back here for awhile. I go to Tampa not regularly but occasionally. It should be fairly straightforward too, since they're right off of I-75 and not too far from Rt. 4.
Anything smaller than Klipschorns and I can take the Nissan LEAF (its electric!).
Now, I just can't match this though :http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Workshop/Overload.htm
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11 hours ago, Schu said:
Thanks for the free bumps...
Ummm, is that some exotic disease?
Have I caught it?
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Just now, richieb said:
=== and Arkansas. On a scenic ride down to Hope we went left, should have gone right. So we stop and ask a good ol’ boy directions outta there - says you can’t get there from here — ok and Thanks.
It is obvious, you should have taken the fork in the road, Yogi could have told you that.
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Just now, oldtimer said:
Moody Blues---In Search of the Lost Chord
OK, that gets me thinking of "My Woman From Tokyo." True story. I know a guy who married a Japanese lady. So one day she gets the property tax bill and is furious. So she goes down to the property appraiser's office and raises a huge commotion, their house is worth much more than it is appraised at by the property appraiser's office.
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Forte III but not Forte IV in SE Ebony Finish
in General Klipsch Info
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I'm wondering why Klipsch didn't keep making the Forte IV in SE Ebony. The sales just weren't high enough? But having never seen the SE Ebony finish, is it just absolutely worlds above the Black Ash regular finish? Are they two different types of finishes? Was the SE Ebony Forte III grille special too, or was it just the same grille that would have gone on the Forte III Black Ash one?
The McLaren ones look black too, so are they just Black Ash with the special McLaren trim or is it a special finish for the special McLaren trim? And is the McLaren trim permanently attached? It looks like it isn't but I can't find any documentation one way or the other.
Having never seen anything, it is fairly difficult to figure anything out, so replies are greatly appreciated.