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  1. I haven't used PayPal in ages and I when I do, it is usually friends & family payments - so I had no idea they did that now! Thanks - guess I have some Terms & Conditions reading to do . . .
  2. I followed Shiva's ebay link and saw two of those ^ at the bottom of the page!! Either the guy us asking waaaaaaayyyyy too much, or they make the Paragon look like something from the bargain bin at a dollar store! https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jim-B-Lansing-JBL-by-Ampex-Model-6000-150-4C-x8-375-Early-Bubble-Back-x4/123471558811?_trkparms=aid%3D333200%26algo%3DCOMP.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D55583%26meid%3D0886aba360a141f58c132e279171f8b6%26pid%3D100008%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D253680611252%26itm%3D123471558811&_trksid=p2047675.c100008.m2219
  3. You're reaching. My statement is supported by the literature in the links. Not at all - I haven't commenting here long, but my history will show that was my only cantankerous comment. I go by the Golden Rule on forums. I don't initiate conflict and prefer courteous discussion, but if someone is hellbent on being nasty, I'll return the favor-especially if they are wrong.
  4. Yes, JBL was trying to copy the Klipschorn, as were numerous competitors of the day. At least that's what the JBL historical link said; sorry if my parroting was confusing. JBL's copy was called 'The Hartsfield' and they freely acknowledge copying Klipsch: http://www.audioheritage.org/html/profiles/jbl/hartsfield.htm. JBL also offers an explanation for its eventual demise that I hadn't seen before:
  5. Thanks for thinking of me! Looks like the post is still up . . . I've only done craigslist buys face-to-face with cash. Is there any way now to buy on craigslist from a distance without paying first and blindly trusting a stranger will come through or vice-versa? Reputable escrow services, maybe?
  6. [Wow, there were a few of these responses questioning its beginnings and purpose. I'm afraid you are all incorrect (and should've read the link before circle-[confirm]ing your errs), or should've read my comment closer before you "corrected" something that wasn't said.] Of course the unit pictured is designed for living room use. That is quite obvious from its construction and finish. I mentioned its original intent when making a comparison to the Heresy , as both companies thought a center was needed between corner-horns, which is an oft-discussed topic here, and the Paragon began as JBL's center channel. To build a center channel, JBL hired a consultant, Col. Richard Ranger, who was known for his work on Broadway stage sound systems and JBL brought him in to help compete against Klipsch. The Paragon was first thought as a center channel based on his diffusion principle. (see: link in my OP and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JBL_Paragon). It was later redesigned for the living room. But, even then the living room model was not its only purpose: It was also sold for commercial and professional use. "At the same time that the home version of the Paragon was introduced, there was an industrial variant that was intended for built-in applications such as studio monitoring and stereo movie sound reproduction." (Id.): Looks like someone thinks every post is directed to him personally and takes offense at anything he has seen before as if we are all supposed to know or care. Newsflash: you're on a multi-national conglomerate corporation's website and have no weight to throw around. I have no interest in your bitching - move on to the next post instead of crying about what you don't care about. Less than 1000 were ever built; far less exist today. They are in museums and certainly aren't "always for sale". The fact that one is sitting on craigslist for anyone to own one should be interesting to any audiophile or horn fan.
  7. Is this still For Sale? I can't find your AudioGon ad... Did you purchase it new or used from Upscaled?
  8. Have you looked at the ELAC EA Series Integrated? I also have Chorus IIs and was looking for amps about a year ago - I looked at most of the amps on your list, in fact, and ended up getting the ELAC. This amp packs a ton of features in for the price point. I also run my Chorus IIs in a 2.1 system and the ELAC has a sub-out and an impressive built-in subwoofer calibrator. Has a remote and a phone app for extended controls. BASH amp. Only drawback is no pre-outs, so you can't use it with another amp if you later want more power or more speakers than 2.1 (though, the 80W per channel is more than enough for the Chorus). https://www.soundandvision.com/content/elac-element-ea101eq-g-integrated-amplifierdac-review http://www.hifi-network.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ELAC-Element-review_Hi-Fi-News.pdf
  9. I thought you guys might be interested in seeing this JBL Paragon that came up in my area Craigslist (I have no interest in this sale or relation to sale-just sharing a unique speaker system I stumbled upon). First I've seen anything like it. While not Klipsch, there is some relation: it was originally intended as a center channel in a theater to go between a pair of the Klipschorn copy that JBL was making at the time. Kinda like a Heresy, sort of. I'm surprised there hasn't been more attempts at making a wider "sweet spot" like this. Ad (more pics): https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/eld/d/jbl-paragon-d44000-vintage/6749406724.html Info and schematics (more pics): http://www.audioheritage.org/html/profiles/jbl/paragon.htm Edit to add: Click on "Harstfield" in the sidebar menu of second link to read about PWK and the Klipschorn copy.
  10. I started with SS amps with my Chorus IIs, but recently found a deal on an entry-level tube amp, so I thought I'd give it a shot to see if the hype was true - very happy I did. I really like the sound out of the tube amp. Especially with compressed files - which I try to avoid, but it's not a perfect world and I like recorded live shows/concerts. I think my system can show too many flaws of imperfect sources and the tube seems to smooth out harshness. My next amp will be a higher quality tube and I'm also starting to look into tube DACs, but I don't yet know where I stand on those - more "research" is required . . .
  11. Nightlight by McIntosh Edit: I wrote that as a joke - apparently at the same time jwc posted the link. Then I click the link: My god, it really is a $1500 nightlight. Speechless .
  12. Are Cornwall's shorter than Chorus? I guess I've never seen them side-by-side, but the CW's look short in the pic. The person I bought my Chorus from was selling because she got Cornwalls. I know CWs are wider, but I thought they'd be as tall. Makes me wonder how much of an upgrade CWs are over Chorus if the volume is about the same... What is next to the blue meters? Is that photoshopped or is the logo really that big and bright? Your neighbors across the street will know your brand!
  13. Topping D30 - about $110 on Amazon. I've had one for 6 months for connecting my laptop & ps3 (my cd player) to a tube amp and have been very happy with it. More inputs than anything decent in that price range: USB, coax & Optical. Very simple - it has 2 switches and no display. I like to think the money went into the sound instead of bells & whistles. Has great reviews for the price range. Sounds great. It even improved the sound from my laptop with my ELAC amp, which is supposed to have a very good internal DAC, so I just leave the inputs in the D30 and it makes switching between amps very easy.
  14. Congrats!! I share your frustration of not being able to hear all of the Heritage that I would like to hear. Did you find anything to demo prior to purchase? Did you go straight for the Cornwalls or consider other models? I recently bought a used pair of Chorus II with new titanium tweeters and I put in Crites' crossovers and I love them, but damn I would like to hear some K-horns, LaScalas, Cornwalls, Heresys as well. Especially side-by-side . . . The person I bought the Chorus from moved to a bigger listening room and replaced them with Cornwalls, so I'm sure you've done well. I highly recommend the upgrades, though. Very easy to DIY.
  15. Glad to hear - that was my take as well. Efficiency made klipsch a stand-out through the analog years, so it doesn't make sense to me that you'd need huge power to make them sound right.
  16. All great info, Kid. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge. You saved me a lot of reading to catch up. I acquired my first system between 1990-1993 and it was mostly Kenwood (don't laugh - Kenwood's premium lines were decent back then), then upgraded to paradigm speakers, which I later blew with dj equip, then just started using my dj equip for music the past 15 years, so I'm a little behind on what's what these days in home components and it helps to hear from someone who's been paying attention. I'm going to take a listen to the PFs just to satisfy my curiousity, but after taking a quick look on Craigslist today, I'm probably going to go for some older higher-end speakers. I had time for one search of "klipsch" and before getting through 20 of the countless returns, I'm seeing pairs of Epic CF3s, KG 3.5, SF-1, KSP-300 all under $500. One benefit of living in such an expensive market - lots of rich people wanting to make room for new shit. I know klipsch have always been extremely efficient compared to other speakers, but I see countless audiophiles every time I do some reading who insist that the older klipsch need big, dedicated amps and I'm a bit cynical of that crowd because $20,000 anything doesn't make sense to me and there's as much status as there is science in these discussions - but the sheer amount of people I've seen make that comment makes me curious if I should monoblock if I do get some older speakers. Where do you land in that debate?
  17. Generally, I agree with this and when it comes to large purchases, I tend to go for quality and products built to last a long time. But I'll tell you why I think the PFs make sense: If I had any quality speaker, RF-7 IIIs for example, there are so many places outside of the RF-7 where you will make the sound worse. You need to power the RF-7s and may get mains noise, if you bi-amp like the PFs' that is two sets of wires and connectors to degrade sound from the amps, both amps have power cords to pick up mains noise, you need to choose the right amps, make sure they work well with each other and the RF7s. Next is inputs, which also have mains cords and cords going to the RF7s and also need to be well matched and EQ'd for the RF7s. Even though the RF7s are higher quality in materials and the PFs may have less expensive materials, but they were at least chosen by Klipsch engineers and everything except the source (computer playing digital files using the PFs "sound card") has been dialed in by klipsch engineers to be the best possible AND all but 1 mains cord is eliminated. I have to think that this accounts for a lot. That's why I need to listen to them this weekend somewhere. My best friend is an audiophile - we were roommates in college when he got the first klipsch i ever heard (I can't remember the model - they look like a smaller version of Fortes, but with only one horn.) and he's heard the R-28PFs and said they sound much better than any R-28F he's heard which lends support to my theory because they should theoretically sound the same. It makes sense that a klipsch engineer is going to get better sound out of it than me, plus the elimination of so many cords and connections. Have you heard the PFs by chance? Do you think my theory makes sense or are those factors not so difficult to overcome? Yeah, I've been thinking about the RF-7s, too. I've never seen that webiste before - looks awesome. I like the product descriptions - they have the info you really want, compared to Amazon and other that are clearly not formatted for us. Have you ordered from them? Are they legit? Is 135W is the smallest amp you would suggest in terms of watts per channel? I might go for one that only handles up to a 5.2 surround because I won't go beyond that and save a few bucks. I like the preouts for add'l amps. My only other concern right now is an EQ of some type. I like knobs from years of DJing and I'm probably going to use a mixer at some point, but I'd like to have an EQ with a remote, too. Getting digital files from various sources makes an EQ essential almost. Do any amps/receivers have decent built in EQs that you know of or do you prefer a separate component - or just go full auto and not think about it?
  18. Thanks for replying. I have a fair amount of flexibility both in my setup and budget. That said, I always look for deals and don't always need the best and newest. I guess I'd consider myself a low-end audiophile. Sound quality is important, but I don't see myself ever spending more than $3000 - $4000 on a pair of speakers. I've done enough damage through 25+ years of DJing and concert-going and I doubt I could tell the difference. Basically, I'm building my primary system and want some flexibility with adding on because I'm not getting the entire thing right off the bat. My main concern is quality of stereo music listening. I got into HiFi before there was surround sound and I prefer the traditional 2-speaker set up over a surround configuration for music. I will be watching movies with this system, so I'll probably end up with some surround components, but those will be my final purchases and I'm not interested enough to care about Atmos or the latest fad. Given this, my first needs are the two main speakers and a receiver/amp/dac of some sort to power speakers and accept inputs including Bluetooth or Chromecast. Next is center speaker and subwoofer. I'm looking to buy the 3.1 now and will then wait a few months or years for the rest. I'm not opposed to buying used and will probably get on Craigslist and some forums to see what is out there because I wouldn't mind a nice pair of Fortes or Lascalas if I don't find what I'm looking for new. The final consideration is space, which is why I need flexibility to add on. My current place is small and this will be going in a 12' x 13' room that opens to a 12' x 12' kitchen with nothing but 5 ft of bar counter dividing the two rooms, however, no stereo equipment will be going in the kitchen. I'm currently looking for a new place but it will be anywhere from 1 to 18 months before I move. That is why I was hoping to start with the R-28PF with a subwoofer and center speaker because I wouldn't need to buy an amp and could save that for my next place where the system will be completed and the surround components are added and I would have a better picture of my amp/receiver needs. So, I may get the 28PFs & sub and call it good until I move, or I might buy components after a few days of research and thinking. I haven't heard the 28PFs, so I'm going to look for a store that has them in my area (San Diego) and see what I think after listening. TL;DR - I'm looking for a 3.1 in the $1500 - $3000 range with the ability to add on later. The floor speaker pair is where I want the best quality out of everything going into the 3.1.
  19. In case anyone was wondering, I just got off the phone with Klipsch and got an answer to my question: No. 2.1 is the best you can do with the powered speakers. The speakers in the powered series are intended as a stand-alone system, with the option to add one subwoofer. Nothing else can be added and there is no way to cobble together a surround system by adding a center channel or side, rear, or satellite speakers. I asked if it would work if I got both the R-28PF and R-14PM and the guy said that there is no way to sync them together. Even if I could sync the speakers, I'd be very limited on inputs. There is only one rca (phono) input on the powered speakers, so I'd need to switch out cables to change sources. That is also the only input for a pre-amp or equalizer, etc. which will only work on the source, rather than the total output. I'm probably going to get components so that I'm not limited. . . But, still thinking about going 2.1 with the powered speakers. Has anyone used the R-28PF or R-26PF for watching TV/movies? How does it sound? Is dialogue clear and at appropriate levels compared to the rest of the soundtrack?
  20. Howdy Klipschters: I want a 3.1 set-up with 8" Floor Speakers as the "center-piece," plus a Subwoofer, and a Center Speaker, because I am more concerned with stereo music listening than for watching movies in surround. Also, wireless is a goal, but my primary concern is trying to do this without an amp. I'm ready to make the leap to go amp-less which should be possible with all of the features in the R-28PF. It is going in a small room, so I know this is plenty of power for the space. I'm sure we'll see more options from klipsch and other mfrs for going amp-less soon and is the natural progression of the tech, but we're not quite there yet. I think a pair of R-28PFs should work , but the problem is probably going to be the Center Speaker (CS). The R-28PF will manage a powered sub and I'm not concerned about the few cords required so far. Unfortunately, Klipsch has no Powered CS - so I'm left with 2 options to make this work: 1) can I somehow get enough power and audio signal from the internal amps in the Floors or Sub to run the CS? or 2) find a way to make the Wireless CS - the RP-440WC - work with the other 3 without needing to buy the HD control Center because I'm not even sure the control center would work with only the RP-440WC being in the Wireless series. The easy option would be to buy the wireless 3.1 set-up, but I don't like the floor speakers in that set. Does anyone know if the R-28PFs and Sub will work with the klipsch wireless control center if I got one of those? Or, would it work to run only the CS straight off of my TV? Any tips greatly appreciated.
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