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On 4/11/2023 at 3:24 AM, Bananas and Blow said:
I own the Heresy IV and the Forte IV and in a 12X 12 room I would prefer the Heresy. The Heresy IV has great tight punchy bass. In your relatively small room you will get musical bass. It would be easy for the Forte to overpower that size room with bass. Hersey is the smallest of the bunch but it is in the same category of refinement as the rest of the lineup. You can get the Heresy deep by placing it close to the back wall. Do that with the Forte and the bass will floor you which is cool. But something you might want to listen to for very long. I keep my Fortes about 28 inches from the back wall to balance the bass is a much larger room.
This depends on personal taste on bass. If you like to shake the walls, go Fortes. If you like a balanced lighter bass do the Heresy. I love these speakers both equally. So much fun to listen to.
Hey I know you from Steve Hoffman Forums! I believe I was the first guy to recommend the Klipcsh Heritage line in your thread for your search for new speakers! Welcome!
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As far as the original topic, in regard to getting more bass out of a Cornwall IV, the answer is simple: get them as close to your front wall as possible. The inside corner on my CWIV is 2" from the front wall, the outside corner, because of a fairly aggressive toe-in, is 17.5" from the front wall.
I would urge anyone wanting more bass out of their CWIV to try a similar positioning. Most people I See with Cornwalls seem to neglect the "wall" aspect of the "Cornwall" name. These speakers are literally not designed to be pulled out 3-5' into the room like your average speaker. That is, unless you love shouty mids that overpower every other band in the FR.
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1 minute ago, jjptkd said:
Spec wise they look very impressive, comparable to the RSW-15 but with slightly lower frequency response:
Jesus they are literally so huge though lol. Even the 10" RP would be a massive upgrade from my pair of Best Buy special 12SW subs, but even the 10" RP is 25" DEEP! But I would have to push my speakers closer together to be able to align the front of the sub even with the cabinet of the Cornwalls, being positioned on the outside of each speaker, which is how I like my subs positioned.
The 10" is rated down to just below 20hz, which is incredible! Also a good bit cheaper than the 10" REL T/9x I was considering a year ago.
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I'm considering a pair of these new 12" subs to go with my Cornwall IVs....that 5-year warranty basically eliminates any worry I had about reliability.
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That Denon is no slouch. The money would likely be better spent on an extra sub.
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Give a man a record, he can listen to it till it wears out.
Give a man a bowl made from a record, and he can eat cereal for the rest of his days.
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On 11/20/2022 at 5:37 PM, mikebse2a3 said:
Just for clarity when reporting the sound levels people are listening at what are the applied weightings (ie: dB(A), dB(C), dB(Z) and response time (ie: Fast or Slow) of the SPL Meters being used by everyone..?
Other variables that should be considered:
(1) The orientation of the Microphone (ie: are you pointing toward the loudspeaker sources or the ceiling for example).
(2) Placement of the Microphone/Meter (ie: at eye level and arms length or lower and closer to the body or placed on an object like table or ottoman for examples).
All the above can lead to considerable variations in the reported levels listeners are reporting if not consistently applied by everyone.
miketn
I tend to use db-C, with the mic right in front of my forehead facing the front of the room/in-between the speakers.
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I like 90db with 95db peaks at the listening position. I just tried listening to 40db like OP....that does nothing for me whatsoever. Cornwall IVs.
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On 7/6/2022 at 9:34 AM, jcn3 said:
i like this guy -- he's very reasonable in his reviews and is a klipsch heritage fan. will give you a good persceptive.
forte iv:
cornwall iv:
His custom config Cornwalls are gorgeous too.
Personally I feel like he should have pushed those Cornwalls closer to the wall (mine are 2" from the front wall). I told him this and he said he experimented with lots of placements. Still, I don't feel like he really got the most optimal placement in his room.
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I'm running an Audiolab 6000a Play on Cornwall IVs with great results. The 6000a Play is just out of your budget but the standard 6000a (non-Play model) I believe is right at $1k, and some would tell you to spring for the non-Play model anyway as the streaming functionality with the DTS Play app on the 6000a Play leaves things to be desired.
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As far as I can tell all these new II models have the same binding posts as my CWIVs and other Heritage IV models. Pretty cool.
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1 hour ago, RandyH said:
Forte IV 38Hz – 20kHz 116 dB Continuous 99dB @ 2.83V / 1m ,
Cornwall IV 34 Hz - 20 kHz. 119 dB Continuous. 102 dB @ 2.83 V / 1 m.
I own CWIV and have never heard Forte IV, but I feel like most people who have heard both usually say the FIV seems to have deeper or more impactful bass? I dunno but I do know CWIV has amazing bass. I was using a pair of subs for a while but not much anymore. CWIV and a decent integrated is all one needs for two-channel music bliss.
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On 3/26/2022 at 10:06 AM, Idontknow said:
That was not directed at you btw and if it came across that way, I apologize. But, I will say that the major issue with these klipsch forums is they fail miserably to help others get constructive feedback which is why I’ve seldom posted questions for assistance because you can hardly get anything constructive. For example whenever you try to ask what the difference is between this speaker vs that speaker you just get blanket statements like the IV without any constructive content as to why or any context. That’s fanboy chatter as far as I’m concerned. If you google who the best drummer is you always get these stupid comments that John Bonham is. I guarantee if you asked these fanboys why he’s a better drummer, they would have no idea specifically why or what he does differently that other drummers couldn’t do. They would fail miserably.
If I ask what’s a better speaker, the Cornwall or the Heresy, everyone will say the Cornwall without any regard to the listening room size or position of the listener. In theory one might think the Cornwall is better but it’s unfortunate that so many are so quick to answer without asking questions about the listeners situation first in order to provide a constructive answer. I’ve struggled for literally years to find a pair of mint Forte 1’s without success. Every single pair was either banged up with cup rings on top or had pushed-in drivers. What is it with these cup rings anyway? Was every klipsch owner a party animal? Let’s make sure we add some cup stain rings so we fit in guys.
Finally last week I said screw it and ordered a pair of Forte 1’s from Klipsch Restorations for $2750 shipped. Not the II, not the III, not the IV. What?...!!!!! You can get a a pair of Forte’s for $500 online! Yea right! Good luck. Did anyone ever consider that for my listening room a forte 1 fully restored to practically brand new is still less than a Heresy IV? Why a Forte 1? Because despite that huge 15” passive radiator that everyone goes goo-goo gaga over, all the later versions ironically don’t go as low as the Forte one, especially at lower listening levels. The 1 is better than all this overly marketed, over priced new stuff.
I couldn’t get any constructive help from these forums, why? Because it’s just this same crap all day long. IV IV IV IV. In a few years it’ll be V V V V V. This here is an example of a constructive and helpful, honest review.
https://audiomods.datsunzgarage.us/forte/
My 2 cents.
What makes that site any more credible than anyone here? It sounds like you just found a guy who told you what you wanted to hear. Plus that dude hasn't even got his hands on a Forte IV or Forte III...
And the Forte I may have deeper bass than a Forte IV on a spec sheet from 1985, but testing proves otherwise. The Forte IV has some of the deepest bass of any Klipsch speaker ever made. Deeper than the Cornwall even.
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On 3/26/2022 at 10:06 AM, Idontknow said:
what’s a better speaker, the Cornwall or the Heresy
Easy: Cornwall
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7 hours ago, Moh said:
Darn..One of the speakers was out of phase... Thought I had checked this.
Fixing that had to make a dramatic difference!
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On 2/27/2022 at 2:00 PM, geezin' said:
Earlier was listening to Macy Gray's Stripped which was recorded in a church in Brooklyn NY with a single microphone
That actually a really good binaural recording! At least the Chesky Records version is, I thought there was only oner version to be honest. Great recording! One of the few records where sub bass isn't summed to mono. So a true stereo bass setup gives advantages with it.
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I turned those cheap Klispch subs off and fell in love with my Cornwall IVs all over again....lol
Even as well integrated as they are, they're still too slow and can't keep up with that quick and light paper woofer on the CWIVs. Everything is noticeably snappier. livelier and tighter with the subs turned off.
For anything other than modern pop recordings, I don't think I'll use them much anymore.
Still on the lookout for a small-ish footprint fast sub that can keep up with the CWIVs. REL T9/x pair is still at the top of my list after much research. Though the aforementioned SVS and Rythmik subs are also on my radar.
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1 hour ago, MMurg said:
I don't currently have a setup for stereo deep bass. However, I will once Klipsch gets around to start making Heritage Jubilee and I get my pair. So, I may have to pick up Mega Bass and see what it's like. With the Checky binaural recordings that you mentioned, how do you play those back on a standard speaker setup?
I've always found binaural recordings to sound just fine on a standard speaker setup.
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This thread turned out to be a dud!
Is no one into stereo bass setups around here?
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1 minute ago, svberger said:
I wasn't trying to be snarky with anybody. If anything I've said came off that way, my apologies. Never my intent to be rude to anybody, ever.
Nah you're good. I missed the last sentence of his post that you were actually responding to. That's my bad
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25 minutes ago, svberger said:
Well people were discussing La Scala's and the lack of bass, so I contributed my .02. That's all.
I'll leave it alone from here.
He was definitely agreeing with you..I don't understand why you're being snarky with him...
EDIT: Ah nevermind, I see you were more responding to his last sentence in that post.
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First off, I'm not talking about just having two subs. I'm talking about having two subs that are NOT summed to mono. I achieve this with my setup by using the stereo pre-outs on the back of my audiolab 6000a Play. These are not strictly sub-woofer pre-outs, just regular pre-outs. This amp offers no bass management either, so that is managed on the back of each sub.
Now, let's talk recordings that actually take advantage of such a setup. Which isn't as easy as you may think. As with most modern recordings, all sub bass is summed to mono in the studio.
But not all recordings. The Chesky Records binaural recordings are such recordings that are not summed to mono. Macey Grays "Stripped" record is a great record for such a setup. On most songs on this record, there is a standup bass located stage right. And it's very obvious on a stereo bass setup, as the right side of the room is pressurized.Amber Rubarths "Sessions from the 9th Ward" is another Chesky binaural recording which is good for stereo bass.
One of my absolute favorite records for stereo bass is:
There's many great tracks on this record that take advantage of stereo bass. Track #3 being especially good, with an upright bass on each side of room playing a different passage.
Also the first track features an "octobass" a 16ft tall bass violin that requires two people to play. It's positioned dead center in the room though, so no cool stereo bass effects, but cool nonetheless.
So what do you guys got? Any good recordings for stereo bass?
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11 minutes ago, svberger said:
Fair enough. Not at all important to me, but fair enough.
You're saying the lower octaves of bass aren't important to you? I couldn't imagine living with less bass than a pair of Cornwall IVs with no sub. I enjoyed CW IVs for months with no subs, but now that I've added even a cheap pair of big box store subs, I'd have a hard time going back. You don't realize what you're missing until you hear it yourself in your system. Truly an "ignorance is bliss" scenario haha.
You owe it to yourself to get a couple subs on your La Scalas. Even a pair of the aforementioned Klipsch SPL 12" subs would add MUCH to your enjoyment.
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How do I get bass out of Klipsch Cornwall IV?
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Sorry I missed this, I don't check in on the Klipsch forums as much as I used to. Probably something to do with the fact that I haven't purchased audio gear since November 2021, just been so content with my CWIV and Audiolab 6000a Play combo. I mentioned this in another thread, but I believe I was one of the first, if not the first, people to recommend you getting into a Klipsch Heritage speaker. It's cool to see that you've gone and picked up another pair! Though if I remember correctly, you live in a pretty small apartment, has that changed?
A lot of people recommend subs with the Heresy line. But I would absolutely try placing them closer to the wall just to see. I actually use two subs with my CWIV if the mood strikes me. I've got two cheapo Klipsch subs hooked up to the pre-outs of the Audiolab and crossed over at 40hz, so they just pick up where the CWs fall off. I enjoy them with the subs too, but they lose their speed and precision with the subs enabled. I'm very much interested in a pair of Klipschs new subs, either a pair of 10s or 12s, but due to their massive size, it would damn near require a rearrange of my entire front stage lol.