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  1. Yuper congrats on the 70s! Welcome to the club lol. Yeah even though it is super efficient and could work on 2-4W if you listen to low to medium levels. For anything higher or very dynamic it would definitely bottleneck the KHorn and prevent it from doing its thing. I personally wouldn't feed the 70s anything less than 40-50W. I actually think 80W-200W is probably ideal to have plenty of headroom for dynamics and feeding that big 15" woofer. I'm not surprised you greatly preferred it at 200W. I also think the bass is better, deeper and tighter with solid state as well. My 70s are about a year old now as far as usage since opening the boxes and use them about 2-4 hours everyday, whether it be watching TV, watching a movie or listening to music. They were great when I first got them, but now over a year later they have really settled in and are pretty much fully broken in, the sound they can put out is just so good. Sometimes I think to myself how could everyone NOT love the Klipsch heritage line. When I listen to other high end big box cone speakers, panels or estats they just don't do it for me like these horns do. If your room setup can handle it, depending on the size, setup etc. I highly recommend a matching 70th Heresy or La Scala as a center channel! As well as 1 or 2 subs in corners around the room, (I use REL T9is) via high level crossed over just at ever so slightly above where the KHorns 15" drops off. I use 39hz. End result is the bass sounds likes it coming from the KHorns down to 28-30hz, and for hard hitting movies you get all the nice effects. The dealer I bought my 70th KHorns from is offering a pair of 70th La Scalas for a killer price eBay right now. I wasn't able to make a La Scala center work in my room but I was damn lucky to recently get a pair of unopened 70th Heresy's from a guy in Europe to complete my system. Took me a few months of hunting to find a pair. It was great in 2ch. But with a center channel in between like PWK had in mind, it takes it to a whole different level. I originally used a Marantz MA500 monoblock as my center ch amp, but I recently got a Crown XLS1002, the lowest powered one they have. Run the center Heresy from the XLS biamped, with a pair of pro grade LiveWire Elite 12gauge Speakon to Banana cables. I set the Low Pass to the same spec as the passive crossover the Hersey III uses, 850hz as that didn't need changing. And the volume knob at about 60% on the Crown. Blends in beautifully with the MA5200 100W powered L/R KHorns. You can't really tell the center is on until you turn it off. Then you notice it right away and want to put it back on right away. Just makes the center image much more stable and slightly enlarges the sweetspot. Helps a ton with making central stage on screen sounds seem like its coming from TV screen like at the movie theater. In music it really completes the triangle of bass down to 50hz or so. The fact the Heresy goes up to 20khz helps out to extend the 17khz of the KHorns tweeter by just a little bit. I'm using a Carver H9 with all the buttons off, so in full passive mode as the center ch source. It has a mono Center Channel and Mono Rear channel output. I put the other Heresy in the center rear about 6-7ft behind where I listen fed by the L-R Surround output of the Carver. I only turn that on for Movies or ambient music. Does a great job with 5.1 and old school 4ch Dolby Surround movies, it's very subtle but you notice it's there particularly on fly by type effects or ambient out of phase background effects. Curious what 200W amp did you settle on for your 70s?
  2. Personally I don't care how long the length of the basshorn is.... 70", 80", 90", 100"... whatever. All I know is that the sealed cabinet sounds AWESOME. So whatever Klipsch did, they got it right. I think they did a great job retaining everything what makes the KHorn a KHorn all while making very tasteful and relevant improvements to the design to keep it competitive as a flagship speaker in a tough market. I'm just grateful to be fortunate enough to be able to own them.
  3. The KHorn now has the rear panel sealed since the 70th editions. That is likely where the extra length of the horn is coming from. They can call it whatever they want! All I know is that it sounds great! I just wish Klipsch would give 70th owners like myself a chance to upgrade to the new tweeter.
  4. Man I really hope you are wrong! That would a real shame of they close up the Heritage production line because the price increases back fired on them. I'd imagine it wasn't an easy decision for them and that they looked at the issue from all angles. Personally I'd have left them where they were to extract more buyers and in the last 2-3 years or so there seems to have been more people getting into heritage line speakers. There also seems to be a renewed interest into horns among some people so who knows. These speakers are Klipsch's bread and butter product line to compete with the best the other guys have to offer. In light of all the trends over the last 50 years or so, Klipsch (Heritage line now) is still here and many of those guys aren't. Horns are timeless and just work, no gimmicks, no BS, just pure great sound. In Klipsch's defense up to this point their prices increases going back 75 years have all been more or less 1:1 gradual, linear and natural progressions due to inflation, economic growth, cost of materials and labor etc. etc. Besides when was the last time the heritage line prices saw an increase across the board? Maybe it's been awhile and if that is the case than maybe this will be the only one for another decade or so.
  5. @dtel and @babadono Thanks for the info you guys have been very helpful. 🍺 Yes I have mine slightly toed in, not overly done, but just what is required for my room and space. Works very well, and I appreciate it, they're wonderful.
  6. Yeah it's from Paul's hope from Dope publication. You can read about it in Paul's articles as far as I know from Hope From Dope, Vol. 14, No. 4 and Vol. 11, No. 3. http://assets.klipsch.com/files/Dope_710706_v11n3.pdf?_ga=2.56622891.1854978649.1555461807-866399504.1555461807 http://assets.klipsch.com/files/Dope_740700_v14n4.pdf?_ga=2.251123718.1854978649.1555461807-866399504.1555461807 I agree with PWK's assessments on 3 front channels being ideal 100%. I used the RCA "Alum Mini Box" schematic. See attached pic as well. Before I got the box I used a temporary 2 box solution that gave me excellent results. Consisting of some RCA Y adapters and a interconnect short loop back into my power amp, the copied parallel stereo signal into a Monacor SMC-1 high quality passive Stereo to Mono Summing box, output into a JDS Labs Passive Vol Control and then into the mono center ch amp. I happened to have both devices in my large bin of misc. stuff I had accumulated over the years and It worked really well also. I think both of those devices are still available but the PWK box is better as I no longer have to use any y splitters or parralel signal stuff to get a derived center channel signal.
  7. That's awesome, seems like the next logical step up after graduating from the KHorn. Congrats on the Jubilee's! I do have the 70s with the closed backs, I know it's not that big of a deal from the older ones, but I have heard the open one and the factory closed backs have slightly tighter, deeper and punchier bass which I like. I did add a REL sub crossed over at 37-38hz right where the KHorn starts dropping off and the bass sounds like its coming from the speakers all the way down... so I'm happy with it. That is a really nice thing not having to put the speaker in the vicinity of a corner. Ironically on my main setup, it's the perfect place for the speakers as they are out of the way tucked in nice and neatly. So I got lucky, but when I bought my current home I made sure the main entertainment room had 2 good corners next to where I wanted to put the TV Console. So how do you guys go about ordering these. As they aren't advertised on the main Klipsch site. Do they have a special pro site or something with specs, and wood finish options etc? What are you using to power them and what kind of x-overs are you using? Thanks!
  8. Yeah I have no interest endlessly playing with the crossovers to dial in the setting I'm after, and I don't like EQing anything. The version that comes with the electronic crossover all configured for you with the fullest range frequency response top to bottom and hook it up and set it and forget it. That would be up my alley. But I guess I should have been more specific, as I have the 70th KHorns with the closed backs so they sound a little better than the older stock KHorns. And the newer AK6's apparently even a little better than mine now that they have the new tweeter. Being that I went all in on my 3CH setup now with a matching 70th Heresy and a REL sub I'm really happy with my system at the moment. Best system I've ever had by a long shot. Klipsch, horn speakers are incredible. I can't believe more people aren't into these. But if I had to do it all over it's possible I'd have gone for something like the first picture instead, those look amazing to me. Looks like the Klipsch Avantgarde lol. And I've seen posts where some people are getting 14hz to 20kHz, that's insane performance. But I just love how my 70s look and sound, plus the KHorn fits my space perfectly, the Jubilee's would work better in my secondary setup. Maybe for my basement I'll pick em up to replace my Tannoy's 8F floor standers I got down there last year in a year or 2. Those sound really nice too, as much as I like them I almost never go down there even with the bigger TV since I'm just so into the sound of horns right now. The Jubilee is like the ultimate Home Theater/Music hybrid speaker. Horns and movies are just perfect. Frankly I enjoy my KHorns in movies more than some of the full blown B&W 5.1 setups I had in the past at my old place. Where I could never make a corner horn setup work. If I'm ever in the market to purchase Jubilee's for my basement I'll definitely reach out to you guys for some advice and help. As in all the years I've been into audio I've never owned a speaker with external x-overs/custom dsp or half passive half active with separate amps for the LF and HF etc. Sounds daunting but as you pointed out it isn't too bad unless you want something very custom. Thanks for the info.
  9. Those Jubilee's are sweet, the one the OP posted, really nice. I really like how they look and I bet they sound amazing but I'd personally never buy em since I'm not interested in dealing with external electronic crossovers and stuff like that. Did they ever make an all passive Jubilee or is that not possible since these are 2 way? How do they sound compared to KHorns and what kind of frequency response do you get out of them shipped from Klipsch?
  10. No problem. I still don't have access to it. What's the post threshold here to be considered a full on member?
  11. I had the same box made by my friend, it's absolutely amazing! Glad I'm not the only one who feels the same way about 3 channel! Especially since my system doubles as my TV's speakers for television and movies it makes a huge difference with dialogue but also in music it really anchored the bass and the overall sound, especially on older poorly mixed stereo recordings that have exaggerated stereo mix. The derived center is powered by a Marantz MA500 Monoblock I picked up on eBay that was in mint condition for super cheap about a month or so ago, it sounds so good and blends seamlessly with my Mac Integrated taking care of the KHorns. So the Lexicon had an analog 2CH stereo matrix mode to output a center ch and sub? I always thought the Lexicons just were simply SPDIF Surround decoders to discrete analog. That's cool. I have my REL Sub tapped off the Binding Posts of my MA5200 for the high level input via the wireless adapter, gives amazing bass that way. I really like how I'm able to keep the signal in analog and have a great 3.1 experience. Although I'm sure a very high end DSP/Decoder unit like the Lexicon will likely give even better results!
  12. Good luck... I hope it works out for you! Do you plan on doing any kind of restoration to them like refinishing the wood, upgrading the x-overs, wiring and or the horns and woofer etc. if you get them? I've never heard the La Scala but by all accounts it's basically a "baby" Klipschorn with just a little bit less low end extension. Other than the KHorn probably one of if not the best dual purpose Movies/Music speaker you can buy to this day.
  13. It's only a wall of sound if you want it to be. It images very well if the center is properly balanced. I get it's not for everyone, we all have our own taste. The stuff that was in the phantom actually just has a physical speaker present and your brain doesn't have to do the work to perceive it. And it blends in perfectly when dialed in, if the speakers "match" then it's really good. I love stereo but it isn't a perfect format, it has its flaws too. Lots of great music isn't mixed all that well. I found it fatiguing after awhile for the brain to process that center image all on its own for hours on end. A big reason why I stopped listening to headphones.
  14. Cool stuff guys! Very nice. Yeah a while back I used to have a 5.1 B&W HT setup about 7-8 years ago, when I used to be into HT. I'm still into movies a lot but got more into stereo and now 3.1. I enjoy my Blurays that have 2CH DTS-MA tracks. Those are great. I forgot to mention modern AVRs, duh! lol I also frequently used to use the PLII and Neo Modes for music as well when I had the full HT setup in my old house, although I always preferred the DTS Neo for music as I found PLII modes at least on the Onkyo I was using at the same to be too center biased. It was one step above the base model Onkyo at the time so nothing special. Maybe it was just that receiver I had but I've also read some people preferring the old Dolby Surround and original Pro Logic I decoders for music. I bet PLII is a lot better on the HQ AVRs like Yamahas, Marantzs, Arcams, Anthems etc. The DTS modes are great tho. I never tried the DynaQuad setup, that must have been pretty neat too. I had Paul's RCA box made but with a passive level control for the center, I mostly set it and forget it at 50% for music listening sessions which makes about 6dB less than the L/R KHorns and it's really nice. For movies I just crank it to full like you mentioned Gary and that works really well for that. BTW that system sounds insane! An all heritage HT setup, amazing. Horns and movies how can you go wrong, the classic movie theater experience. I wanna pick up a couple of the 3 Channel Stereo SACD releases from Acoustic Sounds, there's 2 or 3 really nice Jazz titles that I'd like to own for sure. I've noticed a lot of the the older Jazz stuff I have on digital DSD downloads that were originally 3 track have a very strong phantom center and now with the Heresy center the center really comes alive in the recording. Also in movies where there is something moving fast in a scene from L to R or R to L. Previously you'd sort of notice the gap as it went across the screen where there was no speaker but now with Paul's box feeding my center ch Heresy's amp transition is seamless and really cool. DSP has gotten so good now a days, if you have a good AVR that's probably the way to go. I just don't own or use an AVR anymore, just a 2CH Mac Integrated and since I wanted to keep it, going for Paul's box and a separate small solid state mono amp was the way to go for me.
  15. I Bet! Your system is lovely, clean and just perfect. Great choice on the classic walnut finish on the H III, looks wonderful with the gold PWK emblem.
  16. Gotcha thanks for the help! Yeah I could see why people would want that feature! I totally agree with you lol. That was always annoying on other boards I used to be active on of varying subjects. ------------------------- Appreciate the help guys!
  17. Just wondering how many of you guys or if there is anyone else that is into Paul's 3 channel L-C-R setup? I always kept stereo native 2CH in all the systems I've had over many years but when I got into Klipsch and horn speakers (and am I glad I did) I learned about 3CH after recently opening the manual of my KHorns again which described adding a center channel which sparked my curiosity and I did tons of research on it. Now mind you my KHorns are properly toed in, and my stereo image was excellent and phantom center effect was already good. But my curiosity took over. So I had a friend build me Paul's "Alum. Mini Box" exact to the schematics using high quality parts. And was able to acquire a matching Heresy. Since my system also doubles as my TV's speakers for Smart TV YouTube/Netflix etc., TV and movies, it really anchors the dialogue and makes it more believable sound like its coming right from the screen which I prefer. The stereo information on TV such as music and sound effects etc and sound stage is still very coherent and perfectly heard L and R. When listening to music adding a center channel really coupled with my KHorns bass beautifully and seamlessly, drums really filled out even more and it sounds so nice and filled in, same is true for when watching a movie or TV on it. Truthfully I wanted a La Scala but I couldn't make it work in my system due to the console, but the Heresy is just perfect, its tilt makes it hit right at my ears at the same height as my KHorns and It completely disappears and it doesn't stand out sonically at all... but when I turn it off I hear a big difference and prefer it on. But perhaps the biggest benefit has been increase in size of the "sweetspot" so I'm no able to sit in the most comfortable section of my mini sofa/love seat and be in the sweetspot. It's especially helpful on older rock and jazz music that has an exaggerated stereo mix where no phantom center stereo effect could fill the void like having a physical center does IMHO, it still flawlessly reproduces intentional hard left/right ambient effects in music. And on modern electronic genres where vocals and drums are often so dead center in the mix... without the center the drums and vocals are often awkwardly split down the L/R channels leaving a void. Even with the phantom center effect it's not enough for those genres as sometimes their mixes aren't the greatest as many of them (mainly the electronic) were mixed in nearfield with 2 monitors pretty close to each other so It's so much more enjoyable with a physical center and is just awesome. I know there are other ways to get the center too using various methods. Like with Meridians Trifiled DSP, Vintage Mac and Scott stuff I know had summed L/R center outs, SST Trinaural Processor, Dynaco QD-1/QD-2 Hafler Matrix Box, Older Receivers w/ Dolby "3 Stereo" Mode, older dedicated Prologic Processors and lastly some of the Carver Sonic Hologram stuff. I think that's pretty much all the methods I've learned of over the last few months reading up on it little by little. I'm also curious about experimenting with a center rear channel that is a L-R ambient "difference" channel on low volume, which I think would be pretty interesting. But I'm super happy with the L-C-R config. Anyone else into 3ch, 4ch, Quad or similar? I know it's not the most "purist" thing to do, so don't be too hard on me if you aren't into it lol! 🤬🤢 Thanks!!
  18. It's not there, there is no signature option. Not sure why this forum is so restrictive.
  19. Nonsense, don't forget we're in a Klipsch Forum after all. Many of us have PWK heritage speakers over 99db efficient. At 3-5 Watts on my MA5200 my system is already at ear piercing levels. You only need monstrous amounts of power if your speakers are 80 something db power pigs. Besides the first watt of power is the most important anyway... and many amp manufactures conservatively rate the power capability, McIntosh for example is known for this. This particular Schiit I'd be willing to bet probably does a little better than 20W into 8 ohms. In Mono Mode It'll do 80W into 8 ohms. Plenty of power for the vast majority of us on this forum. I'm sure it'll sound pretty good but I'm not too sure on how good the Schiit amps pair with the heritage stuff. For a hundred bucks more than buying 2 Aegirs you can sometimes find really nice condition older solid state stereo Mac amps. I've seen some on eBay and in some audio marketplaces in the low $2000s in excellent condition. Mac and Klipsch is a killer combo.
  20. I can't figure it out either. I see something but it goes into an about me section and not my signature. I've been on lots of forums over the last 20 or so years but this has got to be one of the most awkward and strange ones as far as setting up your profile. Anyone know how to do this?
  21. All things Klipsch Heritage and McIntosh are just a match made in heaven. It's as if they are meant for each other. The 60s/70s era Dynacos, Fishers and others like them are also really great too. But there is just something special about Klipsch and Mac.
  22. I have the 70th KHorns and they are in my rooms corners pretty tight and tucked in but not as tight as I could get them since I have my heating baseboards running along the bottom of the wall. Thanks to the closed backs this was not an issue and the bass extension is simply awesome. It goes all the down to 35hz, It's articulate, tight, detailed and fast. Everything you want and nothing is missing or feels compromised. A big reason why I went with the 70s since they only need to be in the vicinity of a corner and not perfectly wedged in like the original open back design KHorn. I have seen the same type of modded older KHorns with the backs added on eBay like the OP said and have always wondered myself how they sound compared to a 70 or AK6.
  23. Great to know! I'm into jazz and electronic myself. I'm looking into adding a 3 channel tube amp if I can find one, for my 3 channel LCR setup. Consisting of the 70th edition KHorns and a 70th Heresy. I've always been curious about Decaware's. Nearly bought one of their headphone amps a few years ago for my planar Audeze and Hifiman can.
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