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  1. Even the most recent K77s modeled exactly on the EV T35 actually exceeds the spec of the original EV T35s. I read that the EV T35s got continually worse over time starting in the early 1970s their top end started to roll off as the quality of the fabrication tooling degraded over time. The Philippines made new production K77/EVT35s are actually even better than the original ones. They have more top end response and more even dispersion. Considering how loved the T35 is (nostalgia likely a huge factor) I'd never even consider replacing the K77Ds with the Crites tweeters. Klipsch and a few people intimately involved with the original EV35 worked very closely with Dai-chi in the Philippines to get the newer production K77s to sound the way they do. My 70ths have the 77D but I'm curious how the new 771s in the KHorn AK6 sounds. If I ever upgrade it will likely be to the K771, I trust the engineers at Klipsch more than I do aftermarket.
  2. Lmao! Seriously, hard to take him or any reviewer seriously when they just gush and praise everything to no end. Not to mention those riddled with cliche/clickbait thumbnails like that. But it's the only way reviewers like that keep getting free sh*t sent to them. Part and parcel of that industry. I usually take reviewers with a grain of a salt, just a handful I trust. Especially one that has reviewed speakers I am familiar with, and if they describe them very closely to my own experience then I tend to give those people a bit more credence. If they describe them completely opposite then I'll never listen or read what they have to say again.
  3. Great choice! Looks absolutely stunning and I bet it sounds amazing. Happy listening He's running 70ths with the closed cabinet. Those are a different animal compared to the open back models, the 70ths are more like AK6's than they are the AK5s, basically an AK5.5. The bass is deep and lightning fast. 100% on time with upper cabinet horns. Hands down I'd take those over the LS' due to that extra bit of efficiency, a few dB once you get over 99-100 can make quite a difference. Granted I would be inclined to agree with you taking the La Scala IIs over the older open back KHorns models though. Both amazing speakers either way. Just that the older KHorns need a perfect or near perfect corner. Anything other than that and the bass falls off a cliff and you can run into some of timing and and speed issues you alluded to.
  4. So sorry for your loss. This is truly very sad and my deepest condolences to your family and friends. Always enjoyed reading sancho's posts long before I ever joined this forum and was just a reader. God bless.
  5. I know! Things just fell into place and purchased both new at the same time while also moving into my new house at the time. Always wanted to get Horns high efficiency speakers for a while too having owned mainly dynamic basic cone/woofer box designs like B&Ws for a long time. The KHorn 70s are beautiful, basically an "AK5.5" with the closed back like the new 6s. Yeah sadly no, just wouldn't work in my room/space as I use the KHorns as my main L/R speakers and as the primary speakers for music listening. One Heresy is my center channel and the other is a center back surround run literally as old school Dolby LCRS for movie stuff, it sounds amazing. Really doesn't sound like only one speaker is in the surround with the midrange horn dispersion but I am missing a bit of the side to side element in the back with just single speaker monophonic surround, but it's still really great. Worked out since I couldn't make a Cornwall/La Scala work for the front center due to cabinet/furniture type considerations but Hersey blends in seamlessly with the matching KHorns. The front LCR front soundstage and power is amazing. Been running it like this for a few years now and have been very happy. It's really only very recently that I have decided to want to add the side/corner surrounds for "6.1". And should I ever wanna add Atmos, I'll probably just have 4 CDT 5800 IIs installed in the ceiling. The latter is more long term down the road, for now I'm very happy but the extra surrounds would just take movie watching up a notch. For music right now it's perfect though. I really enjoy listening music in 3 channel stereo. Actually even have some of those discrete 3-Channel Jazz SACDs, those are just mesmerizing, sounds like the band is in the room with you and you can pick them all out from L to R. Great stuff. Thanks for your interest!!
  6. Those look beautiful. Not too different from the Australian Walnut I know and love on the 70th speakers. Congrats on those and enjoy them with good health!!
  7. Tell me something I don't know lol. I bought the 4 in my system 3 years ago (KHorn 70s and Heresy 70s). And I love the finish, look but most of all the sound of them. I don't wanna sell them and start over with KHorn AK6s and IVs; I'd lose too much money in the process. I have seen them come up on Audiomarts multiple times. Most are here in the US so it's not unreasonable to the last pair I need for surrounds. Those Forte's look nice but too big for where I need 2 more of these in my system, totally different crossover, slightly different drivers and aesthetically not a good match. Otherwise I'd have just gotten a Hersey IV by now but the drivers/crossover are too different it would not be a good sonic match, nor a perfect aesthetic match either. So I wanna do this right
  8. Wow thanks for the heads up guys. I too received a PM from "Austin36" the other day asking if I was still looking for a pair of Hersey 70s using the same language.... I have a friend that can help you with that, same email as above. Naturally since I am still tryin to get a pair I followed up to no response. And when I logged in here morning and saw the notification to the PM was no longer in my inbox so I knew something was up and sure enough it was. Chances are if it's too good to be true it usually is! Especially us Klipsch Heritage lovers always looking for deals/trying to hunt down to rarer or vintage parts or speakers... there will always be scum bags like "Austin36" looking to take advantage. This is a great community and the vigilance and helping one another out is truly appreciated.
  9. Wow this is simply INCREDIBLE! 🤤 Occasionally you'd see those special order commercial Jubilee's for home use with the wood finish but finally having them at the top of the line to compliment the KHorn, and La Scala is just icing on the cake, wow! The new Jubilee looks absolutely stunning, and I love how they incorporated the new post 70th look on them like they have with all the latest models with the Grille, logo and wood finish to really give it that premium feel. The outboard XOver box is a nice touch as well. Never had the privilege of hearing a Jubilee in person, but everyone here raves about them so I can only imagine they are god like lol. Although I must admit I am curious on how the massive 2 way horn sound differs from the 3 way design in KHorns and La Scalas! They'd a touch too big for my room but I could see how they would be perfection in a bigger room for 2ch or as L/Rs for HT. I bet 3 across the front would be insane behind a large projector screen for a dedicated theater! Roy and his team have done such an amazing job continuing Paul's vision but tastefully expanding and modernizing it in all the right ways! Speaking of which a few things I'd love to see is Klipsch consider making purpose built more "conventional" dedicated matching HT oriented Center and Surround for Heritage in perhaps 2 different sizes to compliment being paired with different type/size models, big and small. RF/RC line is truly fantastic but heritage based multi-channel system provides that big theater 2/3 way horn performance we know and love. Klipsch tends to market them as just 2-channel line but many of us know how amazing they are in 3-channel and up.... even Paul loved his 3-channel stereo. Another suggestion would be allowing customers to more easily purchase single new Hersey's, La Scala's, Cornwall's etc. particularly for those wanting to get a single one between a pair of other heritage models used for L/R for a 3-channel music system or for a dedicated theater array. Would still be great having a smaller or alternate horizontally set center design (something RC64 esque) or one of those bipole surrounds in the RP line, made bigger, both matching heritage driver/sound wise and aesthetically. Alternatively they could be similar or of same caliber/driver quality and size as RF-7 IIIs and RC64III for people that use those across the screen. Such a model could also work well with heritage too with an alternate RF matching appearance and a heritage matching appearance versions. For RF/RC, a "RF-700M", "RF602S" and "RF600SA" type bookshelf/bipole/atmos would be amazing for surrounds or the former for 2-channel RF caliber bookshelfs. Although ideally separate equivalents for Heritage would be best. Things like that would make it easier for people wanting to go for and configure an all heritage or all mainstream flagship RF/RC based HT system from the start and desiring to have equal-truly matching caliber speakers for surrounds or centers as opposed to having to go down to the R/RP line, used/older or vintage heritage or seek other brand solutions. JBL has done that with their new horn design HDI line and even Focal as far up as the Sopra's make a big dedicated center and matching surrounds for a more mainstream theater esque style config. Of course you could still run a 3rd equal or slightly smaller sized floorstander model vertically for the Center and surrounds like many of us do with Heritage now, but with having to get everything in pairs in makes purchasing and acquisition difficult. Keep up the great work team Klipsch, thanks for all you guys do!!
  10. In the market for and trying to hunt down 1 more pair of these to complete my all 70th Anniversary heritage music/theater system. I am located in Northern NJ and am flexible regarding paying shipping including from overseas. Only interested in a very good to excellent condition pair, no major aesthetic issues like gouges/dents etc. If you are looking to unload your pair, perhaps to upgrade to the Heresy IV or another model, let me know as I'd love to take them off your hands!! Thanks for looking guys! All the best, six
  11. For the R26's I think you'd be VERY happy with the REL T7i or even a T5i. If you can swing it of course. I used to use SVS subs back when I had a full blown B&W HT setup 5-6 years ago. Had a PC-12 NSD. But now that I've tried REL in the last year + I wouldn't want anything else. IMHO they are built better, more solid, higher quality and have the best Wireless (Arrow System) and High Level input method in Subwoofers. That high level input being fed by your amps binding posts will sound much better than the low level on the SB2000. There will be more detail, more bass nuance and just a tighter and cleaner bass tonality over the SVS... afterall its getting the same full bandwidth signal as your mains are. The T series does HT really well too, probably better than low grade ported subs. But the REL T series are more music oriented subs. My main system is a hybrid HiFi Stereo/4CH HT w/ Stereo REL T9is. The T9i's are just incredible. And they only need half volume. I can highly recommend the T7i on a personal level as I own one in my secondary system in my basement. Of course price isn't cheap, and it will be more expensive for you being in Europe. You'd probably be very happy with the T5i also.
  12. Yuper congrats on the 70s! Welcome to the club lol. Yeah even though it is super efficient and could work on 2-4W if you listen to low to medium levels. For anything higher or very dynamic it would definitely bottleneck the KHorn and prevent it from doing its thing. I personally wouldn't feed the 70s anything less than 40-50W. I actually think 80W-200W is probably ideal to have plenty of headroom for dynamics and feeding that big 15" woofer. I'm not surprised you greatly preferred it at 200W. I also think the bass is better, deeper and tighter with solid state as well. My 70s are about a year old now as far as usage since opening the boxes and use them about 2-4 hours everyday, whether it be watching TV, watching a movie or listening to music. They were great when I first got them, but now over a year later they have really settled in and are pretty much fully broken in, the sound they can put out is just so good. Sometimes I think to myself how could everyone NOT love the Klipsch heritage line. When I listen to other high end big box cone speakers, panels or estats they just don't do it for me like these horns do. If your room setup can handle it, depending on the size, setup etc. I highly recommend a matching 70th Heresy or La Scala as a center channel! As well as 1 or 2 subs in corners around the room, (I use REL T9is) via high level crossed over just at ever so slightly above where the KHorns 15" drops off. I use 39hz. End result is the bass sounds likes it coming from the KHorns down to 28-30hz, and for hard hitting movies you get all the nice effects. The dealer I bought my 70th KHorns from is offering a pair of 70th La Scalas for a killer price eBay right now. I wasn't able to make a La Scala center work in my room but I was damn lucky to recently get a pair of unopened 70th Heresy's from a guy in Europe to complete my system. Took me a few months of hunting to find a pair. It was great in 2ch. But with a center channel in between like PWK had in mind, it takes it to a whole different level. I originally used a Marantz MA500 monoblock as my center ch amp, but I recently got a Crown XLS1002, the lowest powered one they have. Run the center Heresy from the XLS biamped, with a pair of pro grade LiveWire Elite 12gauge Speakon to Banana cables. I set the Low Pass to the same spec as the passive crossover the Hersey III uses, 850hz as that didn't need changing. And the volume knob at about 60% on the Crown. Blends in beautifully with the MA5200 100W powered L/R KHorns. You can't really tell the center is on until you turn it off. Then you notice it right away and want to put it back on right away. Just makes the center image much more stable and slightly enlarges the sweetspot. Helps a ton with making central stage on screen sounds seem like its coming from TV screen like at the movie theater. In music it really completes the triangle of bass down to 50hz or so. The fact the Heresy goes up to 20khz helps out to extend the 17khz of the KHorns tweeter by just a little bit. I'm using a Carver H9 with all the buttons off, so in full passive mode as the center ch source. It has a mono Center Channel and Mono Rear channel output. I put the other Heresy in the center rear about 6-7ft behind where I listen fed by the L-R Surround output of the Carver. I only turn that on for Movies or ambient music. Does a great job with 5.1 and old school 4ch Dolby Surround movies, it's very subtle but you notice it's there particularly on fly by type effects or ambient out of phase background effects. Curious what 200W amp did you settle on for your 70s?
  13. Personally I don't care how long the length of the basshorn is.... 70", 80", 90", 100"... whatever. All I know is that the sealed cabinet sounds AWESOME. So whatever Klipsch did, they got it right. I think they did a great job retaining everything what makes the KHorn a KHorn all while making very tasteful and relevant improvements to the design to keep it competitive as a flagship speaker in a tough market. I'm just grateful to be fortunate enough to be able to own them.
  14. The KHorn now has the rear panel sealed since the 70th editions. That is likely where the extra length of the horn is coming from. They can call it whatever they want! All I know is that it sounds great! I just wish Klipsch would give 70th owners like myself a chance to upgrade to the new tweeter.
  15. Man I really hope you are wrong! That would a real shame of they close up the Heritage production line because the price increases back fired on them. I'd imagine it wasn't an easy decision for them and that they looked at the issue from all angles. Personally I'd have left them where they were to extract more buyers and in the last 2-3 years or so there seems to have been more people getting into heritage line speakers. There also seems to be a renewed interest into horns among some people so who knows. These speakers are Klipsch's bread and butter product line to compete with the best the other guys have to offer. In light of all the trends over the last 50 years or so, Klipsch (Heritage line now) is still here and many of those guys aren't. Horns are timeless and just work, no gimmicks, no BS, just pure great sound. In Klipsch's defense up to this point their prices increases going back 75 years have all been more or less 1:1 gradual, linear and natural progressions due to inflation, economic growth, cost of materials and labor etc. etc. Besides when was the last time the heritage line prices saw an increase across the board? Maybe it's been awhile and if that is the case than maybe this will be the only one for another decade or so.
  16. @dtel and @babadono Thanks for the info you guys have been very helpful. 🍺 Yes I have mine slightly toed in, not overly done, but just what is required for my room and space. Works very well, and I appreciate it, they're wonderful.
  17. Yeah it's from Paul's hope from Dope publication. You can read about it in Paul's articles as far as I know from Hope From Dope, Vol. 14, No. 4 and Vol. 11, No. 3. http://assets.klipsch.com/files/Dope_710706_v11n3.pdf?_ga=2.56622891.1854978649.1555461807-866399504.1555461807 http://assets.klipsch.com/files/Dope_740700_v14n4.pdf?_ga=2.251123718.1854978649.1555461807-866399504.1555461807 I agree with PWK's assessments on 3 front channels being ideal 100%. I used the RCA "Alum Mini Box" schematic. See attached pic as well. Before I got the box I used a temporary 2 box solution that gave me excellent results. Consisting of some RCA Y adapters and a interconnect short loop back into my power amp, the copied parallel stereo signal into a Monacor SMC-1 high quality passive Stereo to Mono Summing box, output into a JDS Labs Passive Vol Control and then into the mono center ch amp. I happened to have both devices in my large bin of misc. stuff I had accumulated over the years and It worked really well also. I think both of those devices are still available but the PWK box is better as I no longer have to use any y splitters or parralel signal stuff to get a derived center channel signal.
  18. That's awesome, seems like the next logical step up after graduating from the KHorn. Congrats on the Jubilee's! I do have the 70s with the closed backs, I know it's not that big of a deal from the older ones, but I have heard the open one and the factory closed backs have slightly tighter, deeper and punchier bass which I like. I did add a REL sub crossed over at 37-38hz right where the KHorn starts dropping off and the bass sounds like its coming from the speakers all the way down... so I'm happy with it. That is a really nice thing not having to put the speaker in the vicinity of a corner. Ironically on my main setup, it's the perfect place for the speakers as they are out of the way tucked in nice and neatly. So I got lucky, but when I bought my current home I made sure the main entertainment room had 2 good corners next to where I wanted to put the TV Console. So how do you guys go about ordering these. As they aren't advertised on the main Klipsch site. Do they have a special pro site or something with specs, and wood finish options etc? What are you using to power them and what kind of x-overs are you using? Thanks!
  19. Yeah I have no interest endlessly playing with the crossovers to dial in the setting I'm after, and I don't like EQing anything. The version that comes with the electronic crossover all configured for you with the fullest range frequency response top to bottom and hook it up and set it and forget it. That would be up my alley. But I guess I should have been more specific, as I have the 70th KHorns with the closed backs so they sound a little better than the older stock KHorns. And the newer AK6's apparently even a little better than mine now that they have the new tweeter. Being that I went all in on my 3CH setup now with a matching 70th Heresy and a REL sub I'm really happy with my system at the moment. Best system I've ever had by a long shot. Klipsch, horn speakers are incredible. I can't believe more people aren't into these. But if I had to do it all over it's possible I'd have gone for something like the first picture instead, those look amazing to me. Looks like the Klipsch Avantgarde lol. And I've seen posts where some people are getting 14hz to 20kHz, that's insane performance. But I just love how my 70s look and sound, plus the KHorn fits my space perfectly, the Jubilee's would work better in my secondary setup. Maybe for my basement I'll pick em up to replace my Tannoy's 8F floor standers I got down there last year in a year or 2. Those sound really nice too, as much as I like them I almost never go down there even with the bigger TV since I'm just so into the sound of horns right now. The Jubilee is like the ultimate Home Theater/Music hybrid speaker. Horns and movies are just perfect. Frankly I enjoy my KHorns in movies more than some of the full blown B&W 5.1 setups I had in the past at my old place. Where I could never make a corner horn setup work. If I'm ever in the market to purchase Jubilee's for my basement I'll definitely reach out to you guys for some advice and help. As in all the years I've been into audio I've never owned a speaker with external x-overs/custom dsp or half passive half active with separate amps for the LF and HF etc. Sounds daunting but as you pointed out it isn't too bad unless you want something very custom. Thanks for the info.
  20. Those Jubilee's are sweet, the one the OP posted, really nice. I really like how they look and I bet they sound amazing but I'd personally never buy em since I'm not interested in dealing with external electronic crossovers and stuff like that. Did they ever make an all passive Jubilee or is that not possible since these are 2 way? How do they sound compared to KHorns and what kind of frequency response do you get out of them shipped from Klipsch?
  21. No problem. I still don't have access to it. What's the post threshold here to be considered a full on member?
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