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@soundboundit looks like there are two enclosures for the bass cabinet! do you have more info to share? thanks
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how's the system running after a while now @noviygera
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1 hour ago, tigerwoodKhorns said:
K Horns have a void on each side to complete the triangle. I have some cabs that have this removed.
I have considered following the sides without extending the triangle when I build these. Roy had stated when developing the Jubilee that when he brought the sides in from the wall, they went up higher. I am sure that there is a lot more to it than that and I hope that I am stating the correctly.
The problem will be that they likely still need to be corner loaded to dig deed, in which case they should follow the wall.
didn't quite follow you there..
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2 hours ago, hanksjim1 said:
you mean like this?
yeah! yet still wondering how much difference the enlarged horn makes compared to the enclosed backs of the newer khorns..
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I don't think you understood my question, @PrestonTom. I'm talking about enclosing the backs not as per the current models, but by extending the horn so it is flush or parallel with the bass cabinet's baffle - not perpendicular. Making the bass cabinet a triangle, in other words..
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Has anyone considered enclosing Khorns so the mouth of the horn is parallel (as opposed to perpendicular) to the bass' baffle?
The benefit I can imagine is elongating the bass' horn, the disadvantage I can see is creating a larger, heavier unit.
Thoughts please!
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On 4/5/2022 at 4:37 AM, Blackrapids said:
Hey Doug. A couple of additional thoughts. Definitely raise up the tophats if you're going to be getting a dance party together (a riser equal to the height of the bass bin is a good rule of thumb). Doesnt have to be complicated, but make sure it's secure (ratchet straps securing through the top hat). Getting the mids and highs above the average human height means that nobody will block your high end by dancing in front of a speaker.
For 100 people, a single horn loaded sub (which you can place the La Scala on top to also raise it up) will be a nice addition. Search "keystone sub" for a great design with plans that isn't too hard to fabricate. They're a great match.
If you want to ensure that your tweeters and the guests ears stay intact, invest in an inexpensive DB meter, and before the event, take some measurements in the middle of the room. Set your max db by taking a reading and mark that place on your mixer or preamp. You can slowly climb to there as the night goes on and the room fills up, without any worry.
Most importantly, your first responsibility as the host of an event is the safety of your guests, so make sure there are enough exits and have a plan in case of any common emergency that any volunteers also know. Boring stuff, but it will give you peace of mind, especially if your events grow.
Best of luck!
Only just seen this, thanks again for the info.
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On 1/21/2022 at 1:21 PM, Peter P. said:
How about refrigerator moving straps, available at most large hardware stores?
these things are a godsend. i moved my La Scalas around a lot with different means before I got one of these, now I wouldn't move them without! For me it gives greater control over direction of travel and distribution of weight over a hand truck, although the hand truck is most handy when on a flat, level surface.
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21 hours ago, Marvel said:
I have had one hooked to LS when I owned them. The music sounded great, even if some of the singing did not. 😬
I also used my LS at a Christmas party in one of the rooms at the Chattanooga Convention Center, in an 1,800 sq ft room with 15-20 for ceiling. A single 300wpc amp. The place was rocking with over 100 people. We had no subs, but there was still plenty of bass for people to enjoy it.
good to know, thanks Marvel
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24 minutes ago, Dave MacKay said:
Although I'm not operating a dance club, I'd suggest that you check out the plans from Bill Fitzmaurice for some DIY (or have someone build for you) subs. I have one (soon to be two) of his THTLPs. They have exceeded my expectations.
interesting proposition, i'll consider it. i've a carpenter buddy eager to build some cabs, would probably work out more expensive than 2x JBL4645Cs however.
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funnily enough I just saw a local seller with 6x JBL4645Cs for 400eur (455usd) each. Seriously tempted to pick up a pair but still unsure how to encorporate subs into a passive 3-way. only solution is going active, right? i've read around the 4645Cs make a good La Scala pairing, despite not being horn loaded.
EDIT: PS.. I'm out here in Berlin, Germany if any forum users are in the area!
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1 hour ago, Davecv41 said:
They're your speakers to do with what you want. I told my wife a couple decades ago that there wasn't any way that I could connect her karaoke machine to my Khorns.
😆 amen! it's just if i'm running things in a semi-professional way and enticing guests with a quality sound system i also want the sound (including bass) to be impressive
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18 hours ago, Westcoastdrums said:
Sure, but make sure you have an amp with headroom and don't clip it. That will take out the tweeters easily. If you want loud and not having to worry about damage, I suggest swapping the tweeters with an offering from Dave A here. Have fun. Volume tends to go up with drinks... Why I stated the above.
running a 70w tube amp (Dynavox VR-70e) - that should have plenty of headroom, no? re: tweeters kind of regretting not getting the TypeAA from Crites with that extra tweeter protection. will just have to be careful with the levels.
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17 minutes ago, 001 said:
@dugyou'll need subs to supplement these klipsch speakers in a live 100 persons live setting , once you add the noise of 100 people , that pretty much drowns the bass and the speakers will sound thin in the LF .
thanks for the response @001. so subs (ideally horn loaded i hear) but then also active instead of stock passive to route the below 100hz to the sub, right?
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Hey folks!
I am the proud owner of a pair of heritage Khorns + La Scalas. I've organised seated listening events with over 100 people with the La Scalas alone but am wondering what it would be like to use the Khorns in a dance context. I know even just from listening at home that when set up right the woofer can thump even without a sub. I also believe that the reason at higher volumes some like to raise the midrange to above ear level is to avoid deafening the crowd. I've seen that David Mancuso at his Loft parties would both raise the tophats and use 5 or 6 khorns, one for each corner and one opposite the DJ booth.. also for 1-200 people.
Long story short, with the setup I have do you guys think (in a decent room) I could entertain ca 100 guests with loud clear dance music (some organic, some electronic) without doing damage to the speakers or the audience? All thoughts welcome.. well, sensible ones anyway!
Cheers,
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all other factors aside, would there be significant or noticeable difference when using said driver with either the fibreglass horns designed for the driver or wooden tractrix horns? thx
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doofus over here... thanks for the head's up @RandyH
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revival of a 20 year old thread! and here i am wondering how best to flare the BMS 4590s...
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On 11/18/2021 at 3:12 PM, jimjimbo said:
I put down blue painters tape on the horn before I apply Dynamat. If anyone ever wanted to remove the Dynamat at some future time, believe me, it will come off much easier. Also, while applying the Dynamat, use a small roller with some pressure across all surfaces.
thanks for the advice!
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On 4/20/2020 at 4:55 AM, Alexander said:
Have seen a few posts that they dampened their mid horns and wonder how many found a noticeable difference doing so. Just thinking I may do this to a set of k61's while they are out replacing a dead diaphragm (will replace both).
Have read a few different methods, dynomat, silicon even automotive spray sound deadener. The spray on sound deadener looks to the be easiest but silicon is a choice for me too. The dynomat would be too much of a pain with all that ribbing and then there is the cost of it too. Are there any other ways some of you used that gave you good results?
So, for those that have done this what is your verdict? Would you say it was worth it??
Hey there,
so does anyone have any advice on dampening the old metal Khorn horns w K55-Vs? I get that you use dampening material such as that used for cars etc but does it need to be wrapped in a specific way? Noob over here so thx for any advice.
best, dug
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6 minutes ago, HDBRbuilder said:
A false corner is a false corner...inside or outside!
fair enough!
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15 hours ago, MookieStl said:
I would try making corners that you can handle and then testing it out. It should be interesting either way.
I would guess the combo of LS and Khorn outdoors would be nice. Maybe a touch bass shy but good clean sound.
I prefer the great outdoors for my LSs. The lack of boundary walls or ceilings may not be ideal for the bass response but makes the mid bass thru highs sound wonderful.
nice rig!
i fancy the combo too
good advice
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16 hours ago, Islander said:
La Scalas were originally designed for outdoor PA work, so they’re more convenient to move than Klipschorns. If you need deeper bass than the La Scalas can provide, just add a subwoofer. La Scalas usually need a sub when they’re indoors, too.
that's a good point - thank you
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16 hours ago, DizRotus said:
I would want to use a hand truck to move either Khorns or La Scalas. My experience with each is that it is easier to maneuver heavier and taller Khorns using a hand truck than shorter and wider, although lighter, La Scalas.
the weight & scale doesn't make for the most ideal rig to gig, and I have also found the Khorns easier to move around (somehow!)
European provider of replacement woofer / tweeter etc for Klipschorns / La Scalas ?
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Installed Crites tweeters on my first pair of Khorns to much satisfaction but now need new woofers and tweeters for another pair. Any EU-based people have suggestions recommendations for drop in parts? Thanks!