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Univek
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Tenet... despite only having 5.1 mix it was pretty good IMO with some great LFE. Have to watch a few more times tho to get the plot.
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Welcome to the forum!
Some additional context may help people give you more constructive feedback. e.g. Are you looking for side surround in addition to rear surround? Also, for Atmos, sounds like you're aiming to have overhead (in-ceiling) speakers vs. Atmos-enabled (reflected)? In addition, are you looking for 4 ceiling or 2?
Dolby has an excellent Atmos set up guide where it shows the placement (angle is important to note here) on the various configurations. You can see with your desired number of channels, if the angle in your room allow for optimal placement.
https://www.dolby.com/about/support/guide/speaker-setup-guides/
Lastly, I had in-wall side and rear surrounds and switched to on-wall RP-250s (the old version of RP-502s) because I wanted wider dispersion. In-wall will have more of a 'finished' and hidden look, especially if you paint the grills. So that's also something you may have to consider. I have some photo in my profile you can take a look. With on-wall, there is less of work if you decide to change... where as with in-wall, not all sizes are the same so keep that in mind.
Looking on the Klipsch site, I'd say any of their 6.5" inwall speakers should match well. i.e. RP-160rpw, 3650-w. Same goes with the inceiling set of speakers. i.e. rp-160rpc, 3650-c. I just recently got Klipsch RP surrounds and ceilings vs I had Yamaha before. I'd say they definitely sounded better now to me but I don't think my wife can tell the difference. : ) LCR are key and can take your time to fill in the rest.
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My suggestion is if you'd be opening up the ceiling to wire for the ceiling .4 if you can. Because u never know when the upgrade urge may come.
And for the centre, did you consider the same 5502 as centre vs. RP-405C?
You can take a look at my setup (in my profile). I room is slightly bigger and I had in-wall and in-ceiling speakers. And my LCR are behind a false wall so you don't see any speakers. I have since changed to wall mounted for surrounds.
In addition, perhaps not needed at start, but look to invest in some acoustic treatments down the line. Especially for the rear and side reflection points.
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Ya... likely not the best room to invest in costly HT gear as Placement is key.
have you considered something like the 180rpc-LCR? https://www.klipsch.ca/products/pro-180rpc-lcr
Nowhere near the presence of the towers but I think for this room config, it may be a good choice. Then save those $ for a proper room later.
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Do you have height or top speakers for ATMOS or plan on having? Reason being, with ATMOS speakers, dolby suggests the surround to be more at ear level.
rp-402s will have better dispersion, not as direct. But I suspect as @Schu mentioned, if you do the speaker calibration with Audyssey, it may be manageable. If they're too overwhelming, can always further lower the speaker output.
Lastly, you may already be doing that in mentioning some canvas coming. In addition to corner bass traps which are great, may be good to look at covering those reflection points behind your seating.
Cheers.
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Same question as @HenrikTJ. I think a photo if you don't mind may help. Critical to have Center in the front, and next to it would be good to have LR at between 30 to 22 degrees toward the primary seating positions. Dolby has a good speaker placement reference below. On the page, click on the setup you're targeting. i.e. 5.1, 7.1 etc and it has a good guide on placement suggestions.
https://www.dolby.com/about/support/guide/speaker-setup-guides/
IMO, the placement of your front towers, will matter more than RP8000 or RF7 iii. Having speakers on L and R will also have some interesting (not good) effect on your nulls and peaks as they interact with the walls across from each other. Usually that happens to surround as well, but there are much more content on the LR vs. surround channels. So IMO, LR (and all speakers) placement is #1 priority, then speaker selection.
Lastly, one never needs a subwoofer, or 2 subwoofers : ) But depends on how much low end you want to feel as well as balance out the experience across the various seating positions.
Definitely not something you need to add all in one shot, look for deals and slowly introduce components and you can experience what you like more of and go from there. crawl-walk-run. : )
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Wanted to share some things I learned over last few month around my HT. I'm sure many people already knew about those, but it was definitely an ah-ha moment to me. The topic was around the benefit of baffle wall, specifically around how it help control speaker boundary interference.
This was one of the great articles I read that got me going on this adventure: http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/2013322baffle-walls/
I always thought baffle wall looked great, and although I read about boundary interference, I thought I didn't quite need to worry about it because I have all those traps etc. What got me looking into it more was after I finished my recent update (with added ceiling soffit and additional bass trap membranes), I still found that my LCR, particularly my Center had some noticeable nulls around 70 and 114Hz. Even with massive bass traps added, as well as playing with my sub EQ and reflection points on the wall, those were little improved. However, when I simply added a piece of 1/2” thick plywood that is flush with my La Scalas, the improvements were day and night! I included below a REW measurement of the response without the wall (pink) and one with (green) and you can tell the huge difference.
The finish has bottom portion of the wall with 1/2” plywood fronted by acoustic foam between the La Scala. Top has 5” thick acoustic panels flash and behind are 2 2’x4’ bass traps hung on the ceiling/wall. So the space behind the screen is mostly filled.
Net is, I think if you're able, having a baffle wall is worth looking into. It doesn't just look nice, but will make your HT sound even better!
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On 6/11/2020 at 9:15 PM, Goathorn said:
Moving the system is impossible...the far wall is 10’ tall glass windows/doors, and the wall to the left is the same, the wall to the right is half glass, the other half is the kitchen and more glass. So only one wall for screen, about 25’ wide, fireplace in the middle, flanked by 5’ wide vertical niches (floor to ceiling). Electronics are in a rack in a closet (Control 4 etc.) except for my trusty Thorens turntable and Oppo Blueray deck which are on a stand with my favorite LPs. We need to keep the fireplace, so my only way to use a Cornwall as a center would be to build a big niche above the fireplace and use a projector and acoustically transparent screen. Intriguing idea...wonder how difficult it would be to find a single Cornwall that matches mIne..from ‘78 I think.
That's a tough room to map out a proper LCR. If TV is to go to the wall where the fireplace is, I think there is too much light for projector to work well, so acoustic transparent screen is out. Also, ideally, you'd want LCR to be on the same plane / height which means mounting Cornwall on ceiling, mid wall, even if you could, may not yield good results. I do think the phantom suggestion may be best or see if you have the heart to try a completely new LCR (since you have RP640D, get matching LR for it) and then move the Cornwall to another room for music listening. Or configure as another zone for music in same room . Just some additional thoughts.
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On 6/21/2020 at 11:00 PM, KN0905 said:
I think I am rather set on the center speaker, and my current design for the cabinets below and to the side of the screen will accommodate the book shelve better than a floor standing option. Would it be better to stay with the RP-500SA for both the SSRL and RSRL? Alternatively maybe better to stay with the RP-402S for both SSRL and RSRL?
I feel the RP-500SA is designed for ATMOS height speakers as its main role. If you have the room for RP402S or even in wall. They may be better than RP-500SA for rear surround. Remember ATMOS spec for surround is at ear level. (reference: https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-atmos/dolby-atmos-home-theater-installation-guidelines.pdf)
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On 6/21/2020 at 1:56 AM, Steliossts said:
Hello,
How does the psa v1510df sound against the pv16 ultra?
Thanks
In my room, SVS is stronger below 27hz and PSA stronger between 34-44hz. I think that matches what people are saying and experiences w/ how SVS and PSA are tuned. i.e SVS more low end and PSA more of that mid range bass. I do like the SVS with the parametric EQ and the ease of the app to fine tune the bass. But for the money, PSA is the winner IMO. I just happened to find a SVS at a good deal so I couldn't resist. : )
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9 minutes ago, saebel said:
Took the plunge and bought 6 5800s, open box from Acoustic Sound Design via Ebay at over 50% off normal retail. Wasn't even looking for it, was searching for the enclosures. I know open box might be risky, but for 50% off, I'll take my chances.
Awesome! AcousticSoundDesign has fantastic reviews (100% over last year and total of 11589 reviews?!). I'd think if u have issues, they will respond.
I'm sure you'd enjoy the 8" over 6.5". : ) At least you won't have the bug that get you to think I should have gone bigger. lol
All the best! And make sure to send photos along the way of the progress!
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3 hours ago, saebel said:
What kind of connectors did you use to connect the speaker wire to the speakers? I can't tell from the pics on the Klipsch website whether it uses a banana plug or a spring-loaded catch requiring the smaller pin type.
Also, did you end up buying any of the mounting accessories (the installation kit or fire rated enclosure)?
I believe they are spring loaded but @Robert Gervais can confirm.
The new construction mounting kit is where you don’t have drywall up. It is able to mount onto the studs vs without it, you cut a hole in the drywall and the speaker clip onto the drywall. I’d say if your drywall will be removed then by all means get the mounting kit. I can’t speak to the fire rated enclosure tho.
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I’ve read that horizontally oriented center speaker design are challenged with on-axis of the woofers. I found this article that get into it better than I could. Worth a read before you commit.
https://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/vertical-vs-horizontal-speaker-designs
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2 hours ago, saebel said:
I'll have to double check the ATMOS specs, but I dimly recall reading that the rears should be about one to two feet above ear level, but I might be getting my surround systems confused! Too much data (lol). But yeah, if that's the recommended spec, that's a good option. And it will be easier to hide the speaker wire. It would also work for the RP-640Ds. They'll fit quite nicely. I'd just have to move some books/stuff around.
Here is the Dolby 7.1.6 overhead guide: https://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/speaker-setup-guides/7.1.6-overhead-speaker-setup-guide.html
More detailed placement description are in this one: https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-atmos/dolby-atmos-home-theater-installation-guidelines.pdf
The good thing is you don't have to hard mount it so have the flexibility. Even the seating as well, once you have the speakers, you may find moving a few inch front or back may drastically change your nulls or peak. : ) lots of 'fun'.
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Ah, thanks for the explanation. I love the hidden room in the back. : )
Have you considered mounting/placing the rear surround channels lower at ear level in place of one of the shelves? May fit better with the recommended ear level for surround speakers in ATMOS spec.
An additional suggestion I have, and this was one lesson I learned is to make sure you have a conduit for your HDMI cable (if you were to run it in ceiling/wall). This way, as technology change, you can easily replace them. : )
Lovely room and I'm sure you'd enjoy the process of building it and even more once its complete!
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I just upgraded from a 6.5" ceiling to 8" Klipsch Pro-180 rpc. I can tell you I can hear and feel the differences. It also shows up in measurements too. If you're not in a hurry, I do see 5800 come up on sale from various vendors and even from people selling them privately. I was able to get my pro-180 for $400 Canadian each! So I think there are rooms for negotiation. I'd say go for the 8" and don't look back especially given the size of your room.
BTW, why RP-640D? Those 'thin' speakers likely won't sound as good as say the 5800 in wall or another pair of RP-502s IMO. They do look nice tho.
I'd also say to not set your subwoofer placement in stone, do some subwoofer crawl and see if there are more optimal positions.Here is my just updated theatre, much smaller than yours, I also have RP-502s.
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Took over 5 years of collection, finally completed my 9.2.4 Home Theatre with Klipsch speakers (minus the subs). : ) I had some RF62 and RC62s initially and @Youthman inspired me to do v2 w/ La Scala. I was fortunate to find a couple La Scala from an original owner to kick start it and rest fell in place after. I originally had Yamaha surrounds and ceilings and those were the last ones to be replaced. I thought ceiling won't matter much.. oh boy, was I wrong. Love those 8" pro-180 RPCs, appreciate the bass from those ATMOS heights for sure! Lastly, I think for my size of room where surrounds are relatively close to seating, the RP surrounds with the dispersion sounded better compared to my original in-walls. I may look to have a couple more acoustic panels to cut down reflections more in time.
What's next? Gonna enjoy the newly released 25th anniversary Gladiator and Braveheart to test it out. : )
Receiver: Denon AVR-X8500H
LCR: Klipsch La Scala w/ Crites CT120 and A/4500 crossover
Front Wides: Klipsch RP-600m
Surrounds (L, R, RL, RR): Klipsch RP-502s
Top (FL, FR, RL, RR): Klipsch Pro-180 RPC
Subwoofers: SVS PB-16 & PSA v1501df
Projector: BenQ: HT3550
Screen: Elite 1080P3 120" 16:9
Cheers and hope everyone is staying safe and enjoying their HT!
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5 hours ago, angelluisg said:
@Univek that is a question!.? I have another pair Rp- 600m , do you think is more immersive sound experience, surrounds rare and side Rp- 600m ?..thanks
Just a thought, because it looks like the rear wall to seating area is shorter than the side speaker to seating. In that case the dispersion of the rp402s may work better than direct nature of the rp600m.
Since you have them, may be worthwhile trying to see if it sounds better.
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Here is the Dolby suggested placement for 5.1.2. Can see the rear surround placement. Do those angles work for you to allow the 402s on the wall?
https://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/speaker-setup-guides/5.1.2-overhead-speaker-setup-guide.html
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8 hours ago, angelluisg said:
my question is ? change the RP 402S for one pair Rp-600m for surround side?
for more immersive experience? or my living room is small for this all set speakers
run system 7.2.4 dolby atmos
AV Marantz AV 7705 (preamp)
Monolith 11X 11 channel (amp)
Klipsch Rp-280F (L-R)
center Rp-504C
Subwoofer klipsch R-115SW
SVS PB-1000 Subwoofer
Klipsch Surround Rear RP 600m
Klipsch Surround side Rp-402S
Klipsch Dolby Atmos Rp 140SA front
Klipsch Dolby Atmos Rp 500SA back
living Room size 13 x 31
I actually feel that the rp402s May fit better as rear surround and move the rp600m as side surrounds because there is more distance. Have you give that a try?
In addition, noticed you have 2 subs but I don’t see one in the back. (Unless it’s just outside the view) Maybe place on in the back corner opposite the front if allows.
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Here are some quick thoughts.
Is there a reason why you choose to hang the surround vs placing on speaker stand? I feel the rear surround can potentially be wall mounted and side surrounds on stands. Would match much better to ATMOS placement guide which suggests surround at ear level.
https://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/speaker-setup-guides/7.1.4-overhead-speaker-setup-guide.html
As for sub, do the usual sub crawl to find a good place that is suitable.
Lastly, may also consider some acoustic panels at the rear wall (top priority) and then any possible 1st reflection points. Don’t have to go crazy but I think that’d help once you have speaker placed set.
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On 5/4/2020 at 2:56 PM, jfk23 said:
Last bump before I give up... Any opinions for FWL/FWR/SL/SR/SBL/SBR, SB, or CH?
In my 9.2.4 I run RP-600m as FWL and FWR that goes with RP-250s (you can get the new 502s) as the 4 surrounds. They’d go well with RP LCR. You’d want direct for FW and either wall mount Direct or the RP surrounds for side and rear. Depends on how close your seating is and if you like a more flush mount or not.
As for sub, you don’t have to go with Klipsch and lots of good choices out there from SVS, PSA etc. Suggest to look for 2 sub for more optimized bass across the different seating.
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2 hours ago, inMotionGraphics said:
I'm using the Pro-180RPC for my in-ceiling Atmos speakers, and can confirm that the cutout dimension is 24.9cm, which would be your 9.8 inches. I don't have the LCR version, so can't confirm the cutout dimension of those, but i think it's safe to assume that the larger cutout is correct, as the angling bracket looks like it takes up more space. I'm confident you can trust the Klipsch dimensions given on their product pages.
Thanks for the quick response! In this case... I may just stick with 4 pro-180rpc vs. getting two in the front w/ LCR. Think the dispersion is wide enough anyway. Cheers!
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The last Blu-ray you watched.
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Ya... I'd say it is not at same caliber as the ones prior. Wait for it to be on Netflix or something. : )