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  1. Geoff. Thanks for one of the best follow-up posts I’ve ever seen. The rest of the story is priceless.
  2. Any update on this project? Anything you would do differently now?
  3. They were advertised as being in fair condition cosmetically, but good shape sonically. Interesting cabinet geometry, too. I gave them some thought because $800 seemed a real bargain, but I’m out of room and have too many unfinished projects at the moment.
  4. What are your impressions of these speakers? Any comparisons so similar Klipsch would be helpful.
  5. Making a little progress… Went with the aluminum SMAHLs in the decorator Heresy Is. While waiting for an Eminence woofer restock, I went with a Faitalpro 12FH 500. https://faitalpro.com/en/products/LF_Loudspeakers/product_details/index.php?id=151050100 This is pretty comparable to the Eminence Kappalite 3012 HO Neo. The 3012HO Neos are, as of this writing, very hard to find in stock. The crossovers have Sonicaps installed already, so I’ll leave them alone for the moment. The next step is the bass port. I’m going to cut new rear panels for the speakers to preserve the originals.
  6. Dave, Handles and pole mounts would be nice if you have them. I’ll PM for details. Thanks, James
  7. I’m trying to sort out bass port positioning between asymmetric corner placement and centered. I’m using a Kappalite woofer, rather than the deeper profile K-42, so there’s no issue with clearance between the woofer frame and the rear panel.
  8. Thanks for the reply. I should have realized from the earlier posts that he had picked out his woofer. Perhaps the Faitalpro recommendation will help others now that the 4 ohm Kappalite is out of production and is hard to find. I happened upon this thread via the Super Heresy 1.0 and 2.0 threads. It seemed logical that the big speaker could get the same sort of love. I recently became a Cornwall owner courtesy of an unexpected opportunity to pick up a Cornwall-Heresy HT system. I’m surprised by how much I like the Cornwalls. They have a presence that the (as yet unmodified) Heresies can’t quite match.
  9. Saibaba… Did you look at any of the Faitalpro drivers for the Cornwall upgrade? They have several that might be suitable for the Super Cornwall. The 15PR400 comes in 4 ohm and 8 ohm, covers 35 Hz to 4kHz, and has 100dB sensitivity. They are expensive here ($270 each), but could be cheaper in Italy since Faitalpro is based in Milan. I think this model is closest to the 4 ohm Eminence that’s out of production.
  10. I saw these in person on Wednesday and had the chance to listen to them as well as to listen to his upgraded Heresies. The Chorus IIs look good and sound great. Next owner should be very happy with these speakers.
  11. Update: Thanks to WCD for the contact info above... Dave doesn't have any 4 ohm Kappalite 15s... He does have a killer deal on some custom built 12 inch 8 ohm Deltalite IIs. Those could be a candidate for a Heresy upgrade, but I'd need to check the sensitivity. Fortunately, Cameron did have one 4 ohm Kappalite. My other one is on the way here from e-Bay. Cameron was thankful for the referral. Seems like a great guy to deal with, too.
  12. It's all Claude's fault... I'm looking for anywhere from one to three Eminence Kappalite 3015LF4 woofers. The 4 ohm units seem to be out of production, but they pop up from time to time on e-Bay. I'm in the DC area if anybody local has a set. Please PM me if you can help out. Best, James
  13. I'm curious about woofer selection, in part because Claude has a Super Cornwall thread that uses the 15 inch Kappalite 3015LF4 rather than the HO version that he recommends for the Super Heresy 2.0 I'm not trying to be a smarty pants, as I assume he's made the best choices for each speaker as regards sensitivity and interior volume of the speaker. 12 inch Light Weight Eminence Woofer Choices: Kappalite 3012HO vs Kappalite 3012LF vs Deltalite II 2512 Neo Eminence Kappalite 3012HO Neo 12" Driver Specifications: *Power handling: 400 watts RMS *VCdia: 3" *Le: 0.57 mH *Impedance: 8 ohms *Re: 5.5 ohms *Frequency range: 51-3,500 Hz *Magnet weight: 11 oz. *Fs: 51.5 Hz *SPL: 100.5 dB 1W/1m *Vas: 2.86 cu. ft. *Qms: 8.39 *Qes: 0.33 *Qts: 0.32 *Xmax: 6.2 mm *Dimensions: A: 12.38", B: 11.06", 😄 5.63". Eminence Kappalite 3012LF Neo 12" Driver Specifications: *Power handling: 450 watts RMS *VCdia: 3" *Le: 0.98 mH *Impedance: 8 ohms *Re: 5.6 ohms *Frequency range: 46-2,000 Hz *Magnet weight: 11 oz. *Fs: 37 Hz *SPL: 95.5 dB 1W/1m *Vas: 3.72 cu. ft. *Qms: 6.94 *Qes: 0.34 *Qts: 0.32 *Xmax: 9.1 mm *Dimensions: A: 12.38", B: 11.06", 😄 6". Eminence Deltalite II 2512 Neo 12" Specifications: *Power handling: 250 watts RMS/500 watts max *VCdia: 2.5" *Le: 0.46 mH *Impedance: 8 ohms *Re: 5.04 ohms *Frequency range: 48-4,000 Hz *Magnet weight: 7 oz. *Fs: 37 Hz *Sensitivity: 99.9 dB 1W/1m *Vas: 5.2 cu. ft. *Qms: 3.13 *Qes: 0.44 *Qts: 0.39 *Xmax: 4.9 mm *Dimensions: Overall Diameter: 12.38", Cutout Diameter: 11.06", Mounting Depth: 6.06". I'm happy to order exactly what Claude thinks is right, but if there's an explanation...I'm all for it.
  14. Is the 8 ohm spec a deal breaker on the Kappalite woofer?
  15. This would be a bargain on the East Coast. They look to be in nice shape, too. The lack of grilles may put some off, but this cabinet configuration doesn’t sound any different to me than other stock H1s. The cabinet on mine feels quite solid & sturdy.
  16. They are sold. The seller bought them from the original owner a few weeks ago. He listened to them, but did not love them, and put them up for sale or trade. I contacted the seller on a lark because I had a trip scheduled to Durham in two weeks. I had a streaming DAC / amp that he was interested in. He didn’t want to wait, but was willing to meet me half way. We’re both happy with the way it worked out. I haven’t disassembled them yet to see what’s going on. They were serviced (or at least inspected) when the new binding posts were installed. Sequential serial numbers, original paperwork, etc. More importantly, they sound great. I’m going to have to think about whether to give these the Claude J Super Heresy treatment or not. Since they have no grilles, the original drivers are part of the look.
  17. What’s the asking price? This thread is old and the values may not reflect today’s market. Market is a reflection of time and place, as well as of supply and demand. MISB (mint in sealed box) will always command a premium, too. Asking prices around DC vary from $350 to $600 for KG-4s.
  18. Sometimes the seller won’t take the risk, even if you offer the money. With that said, is anybody able to do a Tampa to DC run with some KSM floor monitors? They’re approximately Heresy sized industrials. Pickup and ship works, too! Please PM me if you can make a pickup in Tampa and ship or deliver to DC. Thanks, James
  19. These appear to be a flip from a FB post that was up a few weeks ago. If so, the seller may be in a position to deal, since there’s an extra $2K on the price. New ad used the same photos as on the first FB ad. The original seller mentioned cat damaged grill cloth that can be seen on the photos, but this issue isn’t mentioned in the new listing.
  20. My son has my H-IIs, so I haven’t done a direct comparison side by side and blind. I do have H1s and Quartets close by for comparison. Subjectively, they seem more alike than different. The KP-250s are designed to be loud, and they don’t disappoint. The networks will take a lot of power and still protect from over current induced harm. The woofers are more sensitive and that helps compensate for the forward facing ports which increase general sensitivity at the expense of raising the bass cutoff point. Those ports could accept tubes that may capture a bit more bass, but I haven’t done the research. I know that tube length and cabinet depth both influence the effectiveness of this mod. The speakers I want to test against are KP-201s, which are also H2 based, but have no porting.
  21. These industrial speakers look like birch Heresies on the outside. The Klipsch nameplates are different, though, as are the grilles. The industrial grilles are perforated metal. Pop the grilles and you see the motor board from a KP-250 with two ports at the top. Claude recommends a single port on the back of the Super Heresy. He’s measured the rear single port to be very effective at adding something like another octave of bass beyond what a normal H1 can deliver. From what I gather, the industrials added the two front ports to increase sensitivity and volume at the expense of bass. The difference in ports alone will change the output. The ports also have a bearing on “best placement,” which may affect which speaker is best for your application. I haven’t yet modified one of my H1s to Super Heresy specs, but it’s on my list of things to do. The industrial is pretty flexible as regards placement, but the tweeter & squawker are as directional as those on other Heresies. The industrial has a KP-42 KP woofer, which is what Claude puts in Super Heresies. I haven’t verified the other drivers, but I expect something from the Heresy II era. It has a plastic network board marked for a KP-250, but I couldn’t see which variant without detaching the network—something I didn’t have the time to do. I have KP-2500Cs that also have plastic network boards, but they have very different input options—one each for HF and LF. My other KP-250s have wooden network boards. I’ll probably start a thread on the KP-250 series at some point if I find something useful to say. That’s going to take some time as I’m currently overloaded with projects. For now, I’ll just listen to them as often as I can, thankful that the OP posted the alert.
  22. @zeagan your crossovers look awesome…almost good enough to go outside the cabinet. It’s a nice excuse to get La Scalas or K horns… Which network is yours based on? (I assume the E, but better to ask than to guess wrong.). Do you have a component list? Which tweeter, squawker, and bass components are these intended for?
  23. Thanks. IMO, “fair price” is an apt description. It certainly wasn’t a giveaway, but it wasn’t above market when it was sold, where it was sold. At some time, in some other place, similar speakers may be available at a lower or at a higher price. For now, I don’t feel ripped off and I don’t feel like I got one over on the shop. And I’m loving the speakers…
  24. Sale pending already. Speed of sale seems to validate the “great deal” theory.
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