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Can u build a better cross over for my rf7iiis?
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13 hours ago, Islander said:
Wow! That’s like a sawed-off Jubilee, with not that much sawed off. It’s around the same width as the original Jubilee, and nearly as tall. The obvious thing to do would be to get a furniture dolly, or maybe two, so you can try a few different spots for your mighty sub without needing a man and a boy to move it even a short distance. Just maneuvering a 300-pound box onto a dolly could be risky. Use best practices so you won’t be sorry later.
Have you heard of the “sub crawl”? That’s where you put the sub at your listening position and then walk or crawl around the room until you find the spot where you hear the best bass response. That’s where you want to place your sub. Typically, one would put the sub on the furniture where you sit, but that wouldn’t work well with your sub. Instead, take the chair or sofa out of the room, or at least out of the way so the sub can occupy your usual seating space. That way, you don’t have to try the subwoofer in numerous locations, just once in your seating spot, and then move it to the ideal location, move your seat back to where it belongs, and you’re all set. Hopefully. There are YouTube videos about this.
How did you wind up with the monster sub? Was it a super deal at the time? It’s intended for high volume use in a very large room, which is not what it will be doing now, right? A 2000-watt sub would be nearly as loud, and still have way more power than you can realistically use. Another option would be a pair of 1000-watt subs, which would give you an even sound field, and a lot more flexibility in placing them. Just something to ponder.
Yes I know of the sub crawl, thank you for reminding me it’s since lipped my
mind and will probably implement this technique on finding the proper location for it. I had a sw112 klipsch sub I believe and loved it for years. Was looking to upgrade and wanted the biggest and best I could find and went with a pb16. I liked it a lot but it still wasn't enough then came across jtr. I remember before just looking at that sub and videos of it just thinking if only I had that beast and how cool it felt imaging having it and that it would be all the power I needed. My goal was to get the most power possible but still retaining fidelity, another huge want was to have a sub that could go sub sonic and do that with the utmost authority. I found that with the captivator4000ulf being tuned to 10.5hz and being able to do that at around 110db and going flat in most rooms to single digits and maxing at around 130db. Mind you this was measured out side on databass so inroom response would be even more considering room gain. All that aside I wanted a beast I wanted something that I would never need to upgrade from, and I didn’t care about fit and finish some people might hate the look of it but I love it, pure power. I don’t care about room size or doing things by the book in some instances considering I’m running 4 rf7iiis and this sub in a 19x11 room roughly with 8’ ceilings. I don’t want the room to dictate what size speakers I get. I guess if I’m giving up some audio quality so be it. Maybe someday I’ll try something smaller to see the benefits. But I wanted end game, doing copious amounts of research and the final straw was my woman being on board and pushing me to get exactly what I wanted and to not settle. Lol and no it wasn't on sale or anything when I bought it they were going for about 4 grand and I got him to give me a 5% discount and a better deal on shipping. Which right after I bought it he raised the price to 5 grand and my rf7iiis raised in price too so I thought I made the purchases and a good time. But believe me this sub is worth every single penny and really when you feel and hear it’s performance it’s a steal. I have furniture slides which actually work very well with it making it so I can basically push it on my own the hard part it just getting it off the auralex acoustic base it’s on to rest on the sliders. Thank you again for your info I will implement the sub craw technique. I wish you could hear it’s power and the quality of bass it’s other worldly. I also am very passionate about movies which I’m basically speechless about like music in regards to it’s performance. Words don’t do it justice. In short I’m a mad man I will most likely have more than one in due time. There’s people that run 16 of these in there room!!! Hope all is well cheers!!
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19 hours ago, Islander said:
A powerful subwoofer is great, but it still has to contend with in-room physics. Where is your listening position? Ideally, it should be about 1/3 of the way into the room, which will place you far away enough from the back wall to reduce the effect of reflections, but not so far into the room to be in a bass null. This is usually present in the centre of a room, so you don’t want to be sitting there.
Bass peaks can also occur. I had a 400-watt sub just inboard of the Left speaker, and everything sounded fine for years. Then I replaced it with a higher-level 850-watt sub, placed in the same location. The bass went much deeper, and it sounded great, but now I had a huge bass peak just in front of the sofa. Huge, like 20 dB louder than the sound level just a few feet away. At first, I wondered why my favourite Net Radio station had really dialled up the bass, then I found that it was limited to a small area in the room. I’d read that having two subs evens out the bass level throughout the room, so I went ahead with buying a second matching sub. I located it inboard of the Right speaker, and now the bass level was consistent throughout the listening area.
Subwoofer positioning can be challenging. Does your sub have a room correction feature, where it can put out test tones and equalize itself to produce as even a sound as possible? That’s very helpful. Often, the best position is not the most convenient one, and the most convenient position produces really uneven or otherwise undesirable sounds. A sound level meter can be a big help. There’s lots of available info on subwoofer positioning, and even some YouTube videos. A Google search should bring up lots of helpful information for you.
I have arc genesis on my anthem avr and I really also want to get into rew. Idk when I will could be some time I’m sitting about 1/3 into the room from the back wall and my sub is up against the left wall about 2/3s into the room from my front wall about half but not quite . There’s Definitely a big null where I’m sitting I’m guessing but hard to know until I get into rew or arc and run some sweeps. From where my sub was in my last house and my mlp the bass was ridiculous I need some time adjusting to my new spot. I do want to move it and probably will it will just be hard to move it and find a spot for its 300lbs and Dimensions (HxWxD)41″ x "39.5″ x "20.5" (HxWxD) so it’s basically a really big refrigerator. It’s a 4000watt rms dual 18” beast. Thanks for the info I appreciate it!
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5 minutes ago, Khornukopia said:
The link you posted does not connect with your pictures, when I just tried.
All the digital cameras and/or phone cameras I have used have an edit menu which allows easy picture re-sizing. Or if I send a picture to my laptop, I just right click on the picture to edit and re-size down to 500 x 360 pixels for a 100kb (forum friendly) file size.
This is sickening and totally vexing lol. Well I got everything setup except my room and the where I have my sub I’m having a terrible null/suck out of bass I need to fix. Good thing it’s such a beast with unlimited amounts of power lol. I’m pretty happy with it I will figure it out to share with you guys soon thanks btw.
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On 8/22/2022 at 5:26 PM, billybob said:
Good progress.
I used a Paint software to resize pics taken with my Sony camera.
There are fixes for cellphones too.
Other guys here may chime in. Google has them.
https://next.photobucket.com/u/Youngd123
thwres the progress let me know if you’re axtaually able to view the video first time trying to figure that out. Very happy with what transpired over the past couple days, took about 8-10 to set everything up and I got a lot more to go. Still really need to fine tune everything and calibrate everything and fix certain things. But I’m happy with how it went thus far lol how is a rough draft but amazing to me.
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On 8/19/2022 at 2:52 PM, Khornukopia said:
You have an impressively large subwoofer.. Have you decided where to place it?
I tried to take a photo to show you the sub but it just says everything is too big. Any tips to not have to go through all the rigamarole of having to edit them and resize them every time I want to post a picture and just have it quick and easy?
On 8/19/2022 at 2:14 PM, billybob said:Stereo with phono, cd, streaming.
Let know how it is coming along please. Thanks!
It’s coming along great pretty m ya h got everything in place yesterday I’m setting all the cords up today should be rocking out later tonight.
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1 hour ago, Khornukopia said:
Questions are fine. Here is some background. Bi-Amped K-Horn + K-402 horns w/ KPT-415 woofers - Page 38 - 2-Channel Home Audio - The Klipsch Audio Community
Some of the answers change over time, as I discover new things and think of different ideas.
That was my system before I moved. I wanted to show you other pictures and videos but it just says everything is too big, very annoying.
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1 hour ago, Khornukopia said:
Questions are fine. Here is some background. Bi-Amped K-Horn + K-402 horns w/ KPT-415 woofers - Page 38 - 2-Channel Home Audio - The Klipsch Audio Community
Some of the answers change over time, as I discover new things and think of different ideas.
Your system is insane, Im freaking out trying to figure out how it would sound, and what kind of numbers it is capable of. I’d love to hear it. Badass system man really well done I can see you put a lot of time, energy, and love into her. Enjoy
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On 8/19/2022 at 4:03 PM, Khornukopia said:
My KPT center channel and KPT subs.
How does she run? What kind of music do you listen to. Did you wrap those yourself? Also what inch woofer are the subs? Sorry for all the questions lol
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10 hours ago, Khornukopia said:
My KPT center channel and KPT subs.
That looks so good it looks fake, damn…
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47 minutes ago, Khornukopia said:
You have an impressively large subwoofer.. Have you decided where to place it?
No not exactly but I have a good idea of where it will be , it’s so big there’s not many optimism to choose from. Then again if I wanted I could probably just rearrange the room around it lol. Also, thank you this thing comes up to me over half way and I’m over 6’ and weighs almost 300 pounds. It’s just completely bonkers but it is well worth it. The things it can do how much power it puts in the flick of a remote and how much authority it has at basically any frequency it’s a must have. The power is other worldly and it matches beautiful with my rf7iiis. What do you run my friend? I will let you know where I place it when I get there and probably have pics..
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1 hour ago, billybob said:
Stereo with phono, cd, streaming.
Let know how it is coming along please. Thanks!
Will do, I will probably wAit till the weekend when my girlfriend is off work to help..
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7 hours ago, billybob said:
Time for any room treatment can wait for now since you are playing with placement. Looks like a try it and see if works well enough. Sounds reasonable to copy what layout worked before. 12 foot worked for me, and 10 foot apart should work. I say try it.
Carpet or hardwood floors?
Thanks!
What kind of system do you run?
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4 hours ago, billybob said:
Time for any room treatment can wait for now since you are playing with placement. Looks like a try it and see if works well enough. Sounds reasonable to copy what layout worked before. 12 foot worked for me, and 10 foot apart should work. I say try it.
Carpet or hardwood floors?
Thanks!
Carpet my friend, and thank you!
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Hi all long time no see. I’ve had my system for some time now and have absolutely been loving them. I’d like to say thanks to everyone that helped me with all the advice I needed in the past with choosing my gear. I couldn’t be happier with what I have now. I’m finally moved into my first house and got all the speakers moved into the new location. The living room where the speakers will reside is relatively 11’ by 18’. I guess first I’d like to list my setup. I run 2 rf7iiis for my mains and a rc64iii for the center. I power that front stage with a Parasound A31, the rest of my speakers are run with a Anthem MRX720. 2 more rf7iiis consists for my rears and two rb51ii bookshelf speakers for my back rears or w/e. I also run a Jtr Captivator 4000ULF LP. Ideally I think I would like to have them on the short wall and with that setup I should be about 12’ from them in my mlp. In the past I was about 12’ from them aswell and had the front left and right speakers about 10’ from each other if memory is serving me, which worked great for me. Practically doing the equilateral triangle technique or w/e it’s called but being slightly further away from them that they are from each other. With this info in mind I will probably try to mirror this technique. I’m open to everyone’s opinions of course with each step of this setup. Where should I set them up in my room, how far apart should the speakers be, and how far away should I be, considering the room size and dimensions and where I will be in the room, tow in also? Thank you all so much in advance hope everyone is being safe doing well and rocking the heck out. This system is insane and only wish I had way more room for it, one day one day… I really will appreciate any help this will be quite the undertaking getting everything set back up properly to get the best sound possible. I have no room treatment btw.
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On 12/16/2020 at 11:09 PM, MechEngVic said:
Does this look about right?
Yep
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1 hour ago, wvu80 said:
Rule of thumb would suggest having them on either side of the TV in an equilateral triangle, subs to the outside. Toe-in slightly, point the R speaker to the left ear, other speaker likewise L to R ear. Getting them away from the back wall a foot or two is also a good idea if you have the space.
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-position-your-speakers-perfectly/
All I just wrote is just to get you started. I suggest you try variations for yourself, see what sounds best to you. @wuzzzer ^^^ is spot on with what he said about distance from speakers, room characteristics, etc.
I actually don’t really like how it sounded when I had them like that. And I use my rc64iii as my center a lot of the time when listening to music anyway so it would be basically pointless to have them set up like that since I’m using a center for music as well. And even without using a center I thought it Definitely took away from the entire experience and sound quality of them, but I didn’t mess with it that extensively and might try again. But from trying it I don’t see why people would listen to them like that from what I’ve learned what the benefits are suppose to be from having them set up like that I just didn’t see or hear any benefits. I have the tweeters pointed about a foot or so away fro each shoulder, right speaker pointed like a foot or two to the right of my shoulder and so on. I found that sounds amazing. Really the way you have them set up is more forgiving than what people say for sure. Having then like that I get all the benefits of having them pointed straight at you but just a little smoother along with others. And then center imaging and entire soundstage is so on point and vaster than anything I’ve ever heard and they disappear immaculately/superfluously.
3 hours ago, wuzzzer said:Depends on your room, how far away you sit, how far apart the speakers are from each other, etc. You'll just have to experiment and find what sounds best to you.
I have them about 110” apart from the middle of the tweeter to the middle of the other tweeter. and I sit about 135” away from them in my most comfortable listening position . I’ve already found how I like how they sound. Wanting to know if there’s a rule of thumb that sounds beat for these speaker. I have them perfectly symmetrical inside the room. And my room is 13 by 15 with a hallway that extends to the door to the bathroom making it 13 by about 20 with 8’ ceilings. With the way my room is I only have them about 16 inches away from the wall. Also, from the front of the tweeter is exactly 25” away from the side of the wall. And I haven’t noticed any problems with it that distance or boomyness. But if I did move them out what benefits should I expect to notice in doing so.
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This is for any floor standing speaker placement but mainly I am curious about what is some of the best positions for the best performance for the rf7iii. Should I have them right at my face, towed in like crazy or towed out, what the best all around. Currently I have them slightly towed out from pointing directly at me.
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On 10/5/2020 at 1:33 PM, rebuy said:
On mine they use Real Vinyl Veneer, It's a thin layer too.....😁
They actually use hickory instead of walnut on the walnut rf7iii.
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23 hours ago, picky said:
JoeJoeThe3rd: I too, was interested in getting an Oppo. However they vacated the disc player market (at the top of their game, I might add) a couple of years ago (Samsung has vacated the disc player market as well) and newer offerings from various manufactures have more advanced features and updated video codec compliances than the older Oppo's. One machine, in particular that some reviewers have claimed to have matched Oppo's playback (video and audio) quality is the Panasonic UB-9000 4K UHD Disc Player ($999). However, being on a budget, I opted for the 9000's little brother, the Panasonic UB-820 4K UHD Disc Player ($499). I bought it a few weeks ago during Prime Day from Crutchfield for $100-off ($399)! It's a wonderful machine and the primary difference between it and its big brother is that the UB-9000 has superior build-quality: The 9000 weighs17 pounds! The UB-820 weighs 5 pounds. The 9000 has an onboard DAC and HDMI, Discrete Analog, Optical and Coaxial Audio output. The 820 has HDMI, discrete Analog and optical, no coaxial. For the money, the UB-820, especially if you can find it on sale, is the best buyer's choice, in my humble opinion. For a review on my findings on the Panasonic UB-820, please refer to the link to my post in AndreG's post above. Happy shopping! Best of luck! -Glenn
Thanks you so much this is a very informative post thank you. I will actually probably buy one or the other.
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On 10/28/2020 at 7:26 AM, Ceptorman said:
Great thread, good idea. I'm just east of Indy if you need any help, I might make things worse!
Lol I might have to take you up on that cause it probably can’t get much worse lol. West side.
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On 10/28/2020 at 4:04 AM, willland said:
I am sure someone who has the time and is near would be glad to assist you.
Maybe change the name of this thread's title to "Forum Member Needs In-Home HT Setup/Guidance", to promote more exposure to your post.
No reason to feel silly asking for help.
Bill
I’m looking lol but I can’t see how to change it.
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5 hours ago, CECAA850 said:
Too far for me.
Thanks for your help Regardless. Appreciate it.
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Don’t know if this is the right place for this or not sorry if not. I’m making this topic for people that need in person help and for people that are willing to give it to help get a home theater or music system going or just to fine tune it. I myself also need some help if anyone is near me that is willing to come out to my house, my system is already up and running just need to fine tune some things. Pretty new to this whole game so I’m trying to learn and I think some physical guidance would be best. Also anyone that would like this could also post here too. I fee kind of silly making this post but I thought it would be worth a shot. Thanks guys.
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