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Hey Randy… I thought about the AA, but aside from the tweeter protection what is the advantage of tha AA over the A. I’m not really worried about my tweeters as I listen at pretty reasonable volumes. I know, accidents happen, but I like the simplicity of the circuit. Would it be wrong to do the AA without the Zeners?
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So I've been listening to my 76 LS-BB's for almost a year now and I am still in love. But, I'm back! I'm hoping to get some insight and experiences from those who have gone from some ALK Universal X0's to Type A's. I've seen a lot of threads here asking for opinions moving from the Type A and Type AA to the ALK's, but nothing about moving in the opposite direction. Though, I'm sure it's been discussed:).
My La Scala's came to me with DIY ALK Universal Crossovers with all stock drivers (I attached the schematic matching my XO's). I'm a tinkerer, so the fact that I've left these a lone for a year is saying something. Although, I did start looking into upgrading the caps. the Caps aren't anything exciting to me, they seem to be the standard faire for the basic ALK universal XO from pics on the web; solen 39uf, harmony bypass caps and hovland musicap 6.2 and 2.2uf. I thought improvement could be had, real or placebo, with some "better caps". But, after reading up on what caps others have used for their LS's, I began to see mention of the Type A crossover being a great fit for lower volume listening and I started feeling the desire to hear my LS' in their original state, factory fresh. I listen at pretty low volumes, rarely going above 90db. Maybe a Type A XO would suit my listening habits better? My system is a 2 channel set up with a lower powered tube amp and I listen to vinyl pretty exclusively. I rarely get to see the meters dance as i struggle to hit even 1 watt. The LS' are so efficient!
So I have started to think about building some Type A crossovers. Anyone have any thoughts on what would I be giving up and what would I could be gaining by going back to the Type A's? Or should I just upgrade the caps on my current XO's?
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11 hours ago, absolve2525 said:
Congrats! My pair is black also, nothing wrong with that. I'm sure they sound great. What are you powering them with?
I wanted a nice cherry or walnut finish... but the black is growing on me. I use a Line Magnetic LM211ia always on triode mode. I'm definitely going to refinish these... but everything is working great and it sounds awesome. I want to get a nice warm solid state integrated amp to really push these with some power to hear how that feels.
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so life has been very busy... since my last reply I have sold my condo and have just entered into contract on a new house. However, during all this I have not wavered in my pursuit of my very own La Scala's. I am very happy to announce that today I picked up my "new to me" 1976 La Scalas. They are beat up, they are black, but they are mine! Was able to audition them before buying for $900 and they sound amazing. The seller was really cool and went over all the upgrades he made to the XO's... he built the XO's himself from the ALK design back in 2004 before the prebuilt XO's were offered. He made a few additional upgrades to the crossovers over the years like Tweeter specific hookup wire, fuses from Japan, varying taps for time alignment and others I didn't quite understand. Point being, they are working awesome. Some quick pics below taken right before I put them in my storage space... so hard to close that door. Won't be able to listen to them on my system until September 28th when I move into the new house. Sucks, but happy to get have them waiting for me when the new listening room is ready.
just wanted to update you all since everyone was so great about helping me find a pair. The plan is to listen to them for a month or so and then get them freshened up with some 1/4" panels and stain them. Want them to look as good as they sound.
thanks again for the support!
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46 minutes ago, robp said:
ive got a guy coming tomorrow. if he dosent buy i can but would need to charge for pallatizing and pading
awesome... would you be able to to send some pics of the guts?
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Damn... you guys are the best! Looked at the ones in Denver and have reached out to the seller and found another pair in Sacramento CA for 1400. Tempest is the best! Thanks for that tip. And they don’t have to mint! But would hope for very good condition.
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11 hours ago, robp said:
posted a pair on craigslist houston today
Hey Rob... is this your listing? https://houston.craigslist.org/ele/d/highlands-klipsch-la-scala/7166982558.html
Price seems fair, would you be willing to ship, I know that's no small task!
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Those are beautiful Marvel, that is ultimately what I want aesthetically. I've settled down quite a bit from my initial post... reason has returned.
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thanks Randy... Auditioning them would great! I would love to compare by listening to both as 've never heard a La Scala of any variety with my own ears. However, the closest pair of LSI's appear to be in California. That is not going to happen anytime soon. I live in a HiFi wasteland. I've just read through some of your other posts regarding the K43 and the LSI's and it all sounds great. Hopefully a pair show up closer to home soon.
Per your post on power handling, my purposes for these would be a 2 channel set up, mainly for vinyl. They will be powered by a Line Magnetic LM211ia tube amp (15wpc). So their ability to shine with low powered amps is where my interests lie. And yes, looks do matter to me (and my wife), so the rugged club look won't fly. Wouldn't be opposed to a project restoring to a more Domestic version look... but many say it is a very big job to get even an average result. Unless a pair popped up locally at a reasonable price, I think the best way forward to wait for the La Scala pair that checks off at least most of the boxes for my situation.
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thanks Claude! that is first time I have heard anything positive regarding the the LSI's... not that I heard anything negative either. I guess I just never heard much about the sound of these at all. thanks again!
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yes... the black pair are about an hour away from me... the other pair I have yet to get details on are about 4 hours away.
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I wish, no response yet from Tony T. just mean that you're my Klipsch agent, determined to get me those La Scalas. I'm going to try to get out to see the black pair this week. Bringing my amp and hoping thew blow me away.
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5 hours ago, Tony T said:
How about I'm putting my reply out there for others to consider?
Tony... just sent you a PM.
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2 hours ago, ClaudeJ1 said:
These should sound better beccause of K-43 woofers, pay the freight, which should be about $200, then buy a couple of Dayton Subwoofers to cross at 80 Hz. and you're done.
those are the LSI's I was referring to in my original question about renovating these into the home version. Most say the project wouldn't be worth the effort. What is the reason behind saying the LSI's will sound better?
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sorry, didn't mean to hijack this thread, thought I was posting on another conversation!
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Hey Randy... so it seemed that to that the majority of the replies advised against buying the LSI's with the intent to restore them to the classic La Scala home version. There is no way I would get them and keep them stock. Just trying to get what I want and not have any regrets later.
and on a side note, I did get a message from another forum member offering up some la scala's he's had for awhile. They came to him with bad paint job, but in good shape and all stock. he replaced the caps and repainted black. Looks good, but I would still want to sand and refinish with a wood stain. $1600 sound fair?
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Hahaha... yeah, would be a fun drive but it's a long one.
actually this afternoon another Klipsch forum member sent me a message that they are willing to part with some LS 1's... he got them all painted up in multiple colors and he refinished them in black... the look pretty clean. all stock except for sonicaps on the crossovers.... and he is only about an hour from me! $1600?
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I know your Panelhead... this has happened to me too many times, finding "better" deals right after making a purchase. It just happened on the Heresy's I recently purchased... cound't find a pair locally after looking for about a month. 2 days after buying my pair off ebay, one with a damaged woofer cone, up pops a clean pair of Heresy's with crites drop in crossovers.. for roughly the same price. I always say do not look at any classifieds right after a purchase, but I always do. but, I'm still loving my heresy's.
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looking to pickup a pair of La Scalas... would prefer a pair in very good cosmetic condition. But, I do have a pretty good restoration game so long as everything is structurally sound. I live in Salt Lake City, Utah and I'm willing to travel to surrounding states and California for the right deal.
thank you!
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that's a great Idea! and yes... I am fine with my heresy's. Just got the Heritage bug and need more horns.
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thanks all... so I guess I'll pass on the Industrials and I'll just be patient... not my strongest attribute. But, I'll manage.
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2 hours ago, billybob said:
@boleiro ... OfferUp is another one and use Google to find one or 2 more that serve your area.
Just keep checking and then strike of a sudden. When you get tired of searching, that is when a pair will pop up...boing...
Any doubt about an asking price or condition, just PM me or other...
you nailed it! I will obsess for a time and then when I give it up, the offer will finally show up. I'll be hitting you up for price checks!
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Quote1 hour ago, billybob said:
A third option is to be able to buy a pair of LS and go get them or meet halfway. This will require looking for them at several different sources.
thanks billybob, my gut agrees with what you said and maybe my post was a call for some common sense. what sources do you frequent when looking for specific equipment? I've been doing the obvious ebay search, craigslist and US Audio Mart with zero luck. Not used to not finding any offerings! Used LS's are a rare bird. Which is why I started looking at the listed options again my better judgement. As for my speakers, nothing audiophile, but I have been rotating through these speakers for several years... Boston A150's, ADS L710's, KEF LS50 and most recently I have been into my Heresy II's with crites caps kit and Ti tweeter Diaphragms. Sold the KEF's recently to fund a tube amp... I'm more of a vintage guy.
QuoteOr, if you have the room, get the much better (and much larger) K402.
Hey Coytee... I've never seen a K402 before your post but it looks like the JBL 3722N's I was just looking at that are available locally for only $500 a pair. Not sure how they are for music. The La Scala's are for a 2 channel stereo, music only set up. Basically this is first time in my life I will have a dedicated listening room. So wanted to get something crazy like the La Scala and I kept seeing all these cinema speakers in my search for big horns.
1 hour ago, avguytx said:Seems like building them from scratch then dishing out what it costs for K-510 and, even pricier, the K-402's (and drivers) then having to bi-amp, get a crossover, tinker, tune, etc., etc., would start putting you in the ball park for newer LS II's somewhere. Building a set of regular version LS's would be a tad easier as most of the parts are accessible in some fashion. I build a pair of Belle inspired clones that are true to the "design" and use new OEM Klipsch K-33 woofers and OEM K-500 mid horns but then have Crites mids and tweeters. They look and sound great and I don't really care about resale value anyway.
Prices of used LS's are all over the place now. Just like the rest of them.
thanks avgugytx... I'm not looking to reinvent the wheel, or the La Scala. My woodworking skills are on point for restoring, not so much on building from scratch.
Guess it will be the thrill of the hunt for awhile...
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'76 La Scala - ALK Universal to Type A???
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Honeybadger… I’m inclined to agree with you after further research and guidance. I also read a few glowing reviews from those who preferred the type a for set amps. It got me thinking but I feel I am back on track and will look to build up some Type AA xo’s.
Panelhead, I swear I talked to someone on this thread last night about replacing the tweeter with the DaveA SMAHL V2 horn and DE120 drivers. I like the K77 a lot. Do you really feel the DE120 would make that big of an improvement? My only fear on this move is that the main reason I want to replace the ALK xo is to actually hear what my LA Scalas sounded like new. I have never heard the the La Scalas with anything but the ALK crossover. Really wanted to hear the original character of the speaker. Don’t get me wrong, I’m very into the idea of upgrading the speaker and even have a pair of the DE120s in my eBay watch list now. It’s going to happen.
appreciate the help. My list of mods for the la Scalas is growing by the day!