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  1. mikld

    EdgarHorn Titans.

    Hell yea Claude!
  2. Thanks guys. I appreciating this discussion of a scaled up k402 MEH to shift the crossover of the Celestion Axi2050 closer to 200-250Hz, and better accommodate the location of the dual woofers and their port locations. I've started a mold inspired by the K402, and plan to fiberglass it to make a few ~k402 inspired MEH's, with the Celestion Axi2050's and likely using dual 18" woofers. I saw mention of an overall length of 21" as opposed to the k402's 17" length. Given that dimension of 21", the scaling would be (21"/17"=~1.24). Would the path forward be to simply scale all dimensions (except the 2" apex of the horn) of the k402 up by ~1.24? Or, would there be benefit of equalizing the length/width of the horn mouth, to make it more square than rectangular? Given that weight and size are trade-offs in increasing size of the horn, what about scaling the k402 up 1.5x, 2x, 3x? Where is the point of diminishing returns?
  3. Would it make a meaningful/worthwhile difference on woofers?
  4. Good stuff babadono - interested to see how it turns out.
  5. VDS - I've been considering the same question for my upcoming K402 MEH build, thanks for asking. Nelson Pass (I believe in an interview on youtube, maybe the San Francisco audiophile society interview?), cautions against mixing amp topologies with different distortion characteristics (it can lead to unpredictable results per Nelson). I believe class D distorts at higher frequencies, but is not as much an issue for lower frequencies as Chris mentioned. I'm picking up a firstwatt F6 clone to drive the Celestion Axi2050's, and am still kicking around choice of woofers and amps to drive them. Let us know what you end up with.
  6. Chris/all- Newbie alert here, no question too daft. I'm planning on building your K402 MEH's and have been considering using dual JBL 2226H 15" woofers wired in series for a 16ohm load, 600W, in place of the Crites 1526C. The JBL 2226H's requires 2-3 cubic feet volume sealed enclosure. I'm curious if you have reservations about using these? The best place to start is model the MEH in Hornresp or another model, I just have not learned Hornresp yet (its on my list). I understand they would be possibly overpowered, but i like that get down to 30hz if i decide t use them in outdoor applications (friends concert at the farm). I would pair them with the appropriate Crown Amp. on the point above, what would you think about using dual 18" on the long wall of the horn, to create a full range horn that reaches down to the 20s? Feel free to offend if it gets the point across.
  7. I'm considering these JBL 2226HPL for the dual woofer portion of ChrisA's MEH design. Brand new, the 2226H go for $500. I see that Speaker Exchange has the 2226HPL brand new for $290/ea, "they have the same spec as the 2226H" per the website and their customer service team. That would be quite a cost savings to go with the HPL. I'm curious if anyone can speak to differences between the "H" and "HPL"?
  8. Hi Chris - I'm curious if you've found the lacks of high frequency output of the EQ'd Celestion Axi-2050 is audible compared to the Tad-4002 or the BMS 4592ND?
  9. Welcome back Rick! I’m interested in pictures of your modified k402 meh as well, and your impressions of the Celestion Axi2050
  10. Dave A - I understand Mrdecibel has a heavily modded pair of LaScala's and runs subs with them, I don't know what his listening room is like or the music he listens to, I understand he listens to music 70-90dB and will get up to 100dB on occasion. Based on the listening session at ClaudeJ1's, there were no soundstage issues with his MEH's 5-6' from the listening position, at conversation volume, or at 100+db!
  11. This Sunday, I drove to Detroit to hang out with ClaudeJ1 and listen to his MEH systems, 2/11.2 in the main room and 2.1 in the basement. We listened to music for about 45min and BS'd for 4 hours, as Claude "tried to squeeze 40yrs of speaker knowledge into one afternoon". That was not the original plan but it was the way the afternoon played out. We did not get a chance to hear jubilees or a K402-based system, instead they were the Danley SH-50 MEH's, what I believe ChrisA modeled his K-402 MEH after. Claude was an excellent host and I appreciated the deep dive into where Claude has been on his audio journey and how it has led him to Klipsch and Danley. We listened to some test records, one in particular was a drummer playing the same pattern at different distances from the recording microphone. With the Danley SH50's and accompanying subs, it sounded like the drummer was playing in the room. That was as close recorded music has been to giving the illusion that you’re in the room with the performer, that I’ve heard. Also, probably the cleanest, fastest subwoofer implementation I’ve heard. I’ll head back to Claude’s at some point soon to listen again, but it has convinced me to begin working towards building ChrisA’s K402 MEH. I still would love to hear the jubilee’s at some point in the near future. Awesome stuff, thanks ClaudeJ1!
  12. If it comes to pass (its looking like it will here at some point) I accept the Jubilee Cleveland chapter. Coytee, if/when i'll make it your way, i'll bring you Guided by Voice records from Dayton, Pizza and Chili from Cincinnati, whatever you need send the list!
  13. Thanks guys. Agreed, I'm still looking to hear Jubilee's, or at least the 402's in combination with a bass bin, before purchasing.
  14. Thanks Coytee, ChrisA & ClaudeJ1. Will follow up once i make some moves.
  15. It’s a good group of folks here, thanks all. I appreciate the experience in ownership and diy design. Horn loaded systems came to my attention from forum member's MrDecibel, Johnk and mahlman over at audiogon. Eventually they brought me to find an affordable path to fully horn loaded systems readily available for purchase or diy, over at John Inlow’s website and here. Long-winding newbie question: Im aware the jubilees are capable of more volume than most folks need inside their home. Mrdecibel has said he likes jubilee’s, but find they’re too large for a home environment, that they’re meant to be listened to ~25-30 away from the speakers. For jubilee owners, do you find they suffer from listening at safe, comfortable listening levels, at a closer than recommended distance between speakers and listening positions? ChrisA mentioned the MEH’s are 1/3 volume which probably means they scale better to a home environment with shorter distance between speaker and listening position. Being that the meh design is less sensitive, does that take away any magic of the horn loaded speaker?
  16. Happy Thanksgiving - I hope everyone is staying healthy and safe! Last weekend, on a cold rainy afternoon in Northeast Ohio, Skelt had me over for a demonstration of his vintage Klipschorn-based 2/6.1 system. We mainly listened to vinyl with the Klipschorn's powered with a vintage Dynaco ST70 tube amp. CDs and home theatre were handled via a preamp/crossover to the 6.1 theater system, where a stack of solid state amps powers the Klipschorn's, a LaScala center and Forte surrounds (except for the massive powered SVS subwoofer). Skelt has a garage Klipsch system we listened to for a minute with (I believe) Forte's and an MWM bin. Between listening sessions and chatting about gear, Skelt showed me some of the klipsch speaker projects he has going on outside his current setup. Skelt basically runs a small Klipsch museum out of his house with gear ranging back from the 50's and I was lucky enough to hear it all except for Jubilee's and Belle's (he sold his previous pair of Belle's a while back, hasn't gotten his hands a pair of jubilee's yet!). I'm grateful for the thorough introduction to the Klipsch full range horn sound in a home setting. The Klipschorns were effortlessly loud!, dynamic and full sounding on everything we tried: Nektar - A tab in the ocean (original pressing sounding warm and analogue) The Levin Brothers - Special Delivery CD (raw, uncompressed live jazz trio recording, dry and digital recording) Santana - Abraxas (MFSL One Step, great album, amazing AAA analogue recording if you haven't heard it) The Field - Thought Vs. Action (vinyl pressing of the Axel-Wilner techno project from mid 2000's, wanted to toss something heavily electronic their way, Klipshorns handled the record with ease, very impressive live club sound, I was surpised the bass did not cause issues with the turntable) Nina Nastasia - The Blackened Air (Steve Albini-engineered/produced, my copy is a bit worn but another great album with impressive sound) Lord of the Rings (Blue Ray, 6.1 surround, like being in a theatre. I'm not familiar with reviewing 6.1 mixes but the sound easily beats almost all 2-channel movie mixes i can think of, the SVS subwoofer is like an air conditioner during some of the heavier sub moments of the movie, very fun experience) ///[Skelt, with your setup, I would love to hear the Steven Wilson DVD-A surround mixes of XTC, Gentle Giant, Yes, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, as well as his own projects, sound like through your surround rig! There are also great surround SACD's of Pink Floyd/Roxy Music/Steely Dan, might be worth venturing into with a proper 5.1/6.1...]\\\ The listening session gave me the impression the recordings i was familiar with still sounded like themselves through Skelt's rig, other than how full they were compared to my home setup with more impactful and deep bass. I'm not a strict audiophile by any means, i listen to plenty of poorly recorded rock/pop, and lots of new music and enjoy it. I wanted to play more poor recordings but we ran out of time. I'm not sure what a horn system brings to even badly recorded music, other than just more of a clear window into what's there and not there. I''m hoping to gain more macro/micro detail out of all music from a horn system. Aside from my main speakers (Rega R7), I'm used to mainly listening to music at work through my Audeze iSine20 in-ear planar magnetics. They lack bass to be sure and impact being headphones, but they sound so clean, distortion-free, effortless and true-to-the-recording, I don't miss the bass. I think that's what i'm trying to get with a horn speaker system, low distortion, in-phase, effortless sound. That demo also has me thinking about how Klipschorns compare to Jubilee's... I'm curious how the Klipschorn 1-15" bass folded horn compares to the Jubilee 2-12" folded bass horn, or how the 402 horn compares to the upper range of the Klipschhorn? Benefits of 2-way vs 3-way speakers? I wonder if a fully active crossover for the klipshorns would make improvements? I understand Skelt's next steps may be considering some of the Volti audio Klipschorn upgrades, not to detract here but if anyone wants to share their best Klipschorn upgrades for Skelts benefit that would be fun to read. I know the questions asked above are answered here on the forum, I've read comparisons some and understand the benefits of the Jubilees design over the Klipshorn, best way is to listen to them. I'm still hoping for the opportunity to demo Jubilee's. I've been considering moving towards either horn loaded system or open baffle for high efficiency, both of which have the benefit of removing some room acoustic issues. I travelled to Michigan on Halloween morning to listen to a pair of Spatial Audio X5's owned by an AudioCircle forum member. They are a 3way open baffle speaker, 97.5dB. Its unfair to compare them with the klipschorn's, but they sounded fantastic and I could see being happy with them as well. I've been following the 402 MEH diy thread with interest, and may decide to head in that direction. No bad choices going forward, all good. THANK YOU SKELT!
  17. Coytee - thank you, I'll PM you. Kalifornian, thanks for the offer, I would love to check them out if some west coast plans line up, where in Northern CA are you?
  18. To clarify, I'm interested in any of the variants on Julbilees (stock, upgraded or DIY). I may head in the DIY direction if the price of the new Jubilees are outside my budget. But I would love to hear any/all to hear at least what the 2-way full range horn is about, and if its a good fit for me.
  19. Thanks Dave A! Hello - I'm the guy in Cleveland, Ohio looking to audition Jubilees. Fun fact: I live about a mile from one of the largest Klipsch dealers in Ohio (per the manger of the store). Last year I stopped by to listen to the new heritage series La Scala but they were not presented very well there, I believe the store does best with High end AV home theatre installations and do very little business selling full range horns for music enthusiasts. I stopped there after work last week to see if they would be carrying the new Jubilees that are coming out in spring 2021, they would most likely not be demoing a pair in their store, not that kind of clientele in the area. So i'm interested in a socially responsible demo if anyone nearby is open to it! I'll bring the beer.
  20. Hello all - hope everyone is well. I'm in NE Ohio, I'm interested in hearing the Jubilees if anyone within a state or two might be open to a socially distant demonstration? I've got a fever (not COVID), and the only prescription is... well an audition of the jubilees. Thanks in advance!
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