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Thanks John! I sent you a PM Sure, I could gut the old Gollehons, and rob them of their Altec 421A woofers and wooden horns ? But, I just GOTTA hear these old speakers, to listen for the design tradeoffs and type of sound John Gollehon was trying for. I was suprised to find an Altec 421A in there ? Though I have never used this woofer, some like it a lot, and consider it the basis for an entry level horn system. I THINK that is where I am heading John, having owned several pair of K Horns, Foerte's, and CF 4's. I currently have a set of 78 Cornwalls, and some CF 3's.

Altec 421 A's woofers in the Gollehons, white basket, big round magnet

I haven't got into the boxes, YET! But I will ... Yes, these are the ones, saw em on Ebay, and I am local Heard good things about the wooden Gollehon 8191 Horn! Picked em up, fired em up, NO highs .... Pulled a horn, and voila, no driver! I can get diapraghms, useless w/o drivers! The woofers are playing, and seem quick, and punchy, but do not go deep. A ficking shame, I bet these wouild sound good if working with some subs, like my Big SVS Ultra's ? The place I bought them is a junk joint, but SAID they worked ? Of course, sold as is. The wooden horns alone and the woofer should be worth 50 bucks, huh ? I don't want to just slap some driver on the 8191 horns, I wanna hear em as they were, a sound from another day. I listen for the soul of old stuff, you KNOW what I mean, I am sure ?

I bought a pair of old Gollehon PA's off Ebay cheap, as is. The woofers are fine, however there are NO drivers on the Gollehon8191 Horns! Geez, anyone know where someone MIGHT find a pair ? The diapraghms are availiable, but w.o drivers I am screwed ... I only paid 50 bucks for them, and the woofers gotta be worth that.

I will be removing backs shortly. The drivers all work, but tweeters sound fuzzy, and w/o extension Highs are noticeably diminished Speaker has an overly warm, almost muffled sound

The seller said he got the new tweeter diapraghms from Bob Crites, but how do you know he hooked em up right ? Is it possible to create an out of phase tweeter by putting the replacements in wrong ?

Yes, something is not right. I hear you have different tweeters to go into a Cornwall, will they work with the stock filters ? How much are they ? I WONDER if someone used the wrong autoformer taps in these, and subdued the mids/highs I am firing them straight ahead, but even toed in, the highs/mids sound almost muffled. Do midrange diapraghms last a long time, or should they be suspected ?

Bob, the seller said he bought the replacement tweeter diapragms from you, yet there are little highs or mids, at least compared to Forte's. I have never had Cornwalls before, but they are almost muted sounding. The schematic does not show WHICH driver terminal shall be hooked to what, plus or minus ? Is there any easier schematic ? The cap values are hard to read too. The tweeters do not sound right, very tizzy and muted sounding.

I purchased some used 1978 Cornwalls recently, and I plan to open them up soon. The previous owner re finished them, and they sound a bit muted, and w/o much tweeter/midrange response. I presume he removed the drivers, and want to check that he re wired them correctly. And, I want to change the crossover caps, and perhaps re wire them. Can someone please provide me with a crossover/driver wiring diagram. Thanks! Chris

I THINK the 1978 Cornwalls were a bit different, but I am not sure .. These have a set of Crite's tweeter diapraghms in them. They are so very different then the Klipsch Fortes. The original Forte's I owned had great deep bass, and were probably less "colored" then these old Cornwalls. In all fairness to them, i did not own the Luxman M 117 then, and with it, they might have been smoother. But, transparent as they were, they always sounded "a bit on edge" and too "up front" for MY liking. I just LOVE warm, and rich lower registers. That means you do not have to crank them to sound good. These 1978 Cornwalls are voiced this way, and I find I enjoy listening to them more then I did the Forte's. When I hook my Tube Dac up, I will replace it's Mullards, a warm and rich tube, with a bit thiner sounding tube, and it should be 'just right'

Tubes are not out of the realm of possibilities. I own a Lite Audio Tube Dac, and a Moscode 600, and a Dared Tube Linestage. None are hooked up, at the moment. The Moscode 600 is getting all new input board caps, actually, it is done, as is the Dared Tube Preamp. The Dared's volume pot went south, and my tech, a fellow audio buddy, fixed it. Both it, and the Moscode are finished, ready to pick up. I recently purchased a big Adcom 585 amp because a friend swears by it. Mine arrived with leaky caps, and is awaiting repair, and some mods. I wanted to pick all of them up together, that is the hold up. Right now, I am just using the stock CD player DAC, an old Parasound PSP 1000 pre amp, and the wonderful Luxman M 117. The Parasound is a decent sounding solid state pre amp, w.o glare, and has a remote subwoofer level control. You can bypass all it's surround stuff in direct mode. It is not as good as my Quad 99 solid state preamp was, but it's close, and they are availiable cheap used. The Luxman M 117 for solid state is something special, for real. I havent even had a chance to have my tech go through it. Many Luxman owners crank in some more bias, and it get's even sweeter! I just got through listening to my "new" 1978 Cornwalls again, and WOW. Bob Seeger never sounded better! On the sone "The Fire Inside" there is an electric piano solo, and it gave me goosebumps. I just love the way these old Cornwalls are voiced, rich and warm in the lower mids. Hey, quick question, are you supposed to fire them straigt ahead, or aim them at you ? Mine are about 2 to 4 feet out from back wall so I could get them out front of my widescreen a bit. They are about 10 feet apart. Any closer to the rear wall and the lower mids sound too rich. I havent tried corner placement, but my room is wider then it is deep, but you KNOW I am going to try everything. The tube amp I might consider is a Dared 845 Integrated. A friend uses one on his Avant Gard Horns, and wow! Or, I may go SET Do you know if these 1978 Cornwalls have oil caps, or Alnico magnets ? BTW, never sell a Luxman M 117 short, it is magic on horns, for solid state. Ask Dean G, he let one get away, and he wish he hadn't.

I haven't had any luck with 2 pairs of Klipschorns, Belle's, LaScala's. I found an old pair of 1978 Cornwalls. Initially, they sounded bad, hooked to my big Ashly FET 500, and placed right against the wall. I pulled em out about a foot or two, better, but still squaky sounding. I then remembered whar Dean G said about the Luxman M 117 amp, and fortunately, I have one. I hooked it up, and lookout! I like The Cornwalls, suprise, suprise! They sound warm and full even at low levels, and they look good in my room, flanking a widescreen. I JUST got them, and they ain't perfect, but so far I like them. I watched football for hours today, listening to them play music. I really wish I had the Luxman 117 when I had the Klipschprns. It really is a great sounding amp on Horns. I can't wait to pull the backs off these 1978 Cornwalls, and check out everything. I wonder if these are Alnico and oil caps ? Anyone know what I will find inside a old Cornwall, besides dust ?

The Onkyo M 504 I owned had to be one of the worst sounding amps i have ever owned, and I have probably owned over 100 in my time. I wanted to like it, green sexy meters, and pretty in it;s fake wood case. Power and headroom it has, almost impossible to clip it. It has a red hot upper midrange, and kills the image. I found it very transistory and analytical sounding, and couldn't imagine using it with horns. The Luxman M 117 is not a good amp, it is a great amp, warm, and w/o glare, and powerful too. It needs nothing but a little bit more bias, but it will even sing stock. It's sonic characteristics will mate ideally with most Horns, because it is a quiet amp, and it;s midrange is w/o glare.

The Onkyo M 504 I owned had to be one of the worst sounding amps i have ever owned, and I have probably owned over 100 in my time. I wanted to like it, green sexy meters, and pretty in it;s fake wood case. Power and headroom it has, almost impossible to clip it. It has a red hot upper midrange, and kills the image. I found it very transistory and analytical sounding, and couldn't imagine using it with horns. The Luxman M 117 is not a good amp, it is a great amp, warm, and w/o glare, and powerful too. It needs nothing but a little bit more bias, but it will even sing stock. It's sonic characteristics will mate ideally with most Horns, because it is a quiet amp, and it;s midrange is w/o glare.

The Onkyo M 504 I owned had to be one of the worst sounding amps i have ever owned, and I have probably owned over 100 in my time. I wanted to like it, green sexy meters, and pretty in it;s fake wood case. Power and headroom it has, almost impossible to clip it. It has a red hot upper midrange, and kills the image. I found it very transistory and analytical sounding, and couldn't imagine using it with horns. The Luxman M 117 is not a good amp, it is a great amp, warm, and w/o glare, and powerful too. It needs nothing but a little bit more bias, but it will even sing stock. It's sonic characteristics will mate ideally with most Horns, because it is a quiet amp, and it;s midrange is w/o glare.

Amen to THAT Dean G, I just found one, and wow. No glare! Warm and tube like, without being ":Mosfetty". I have it hooked up to my VMPS RM 40's right now, but I can't wait to try it on my Horns. I bet it will work great, not a bit of glare, and very powerful too. The CF 3's are 4 ohms, so the M 117 will have an easy time.

Hey, I got a good deal on them, they didnt work out because of my room corners, and I am just "passing them on". Mortgage the farm ... this is a real deal!

Hey, it's nice in Florida this time of year!

Yeah, it's a SUPER deal for someone with corners! I waited a long time to find a pair of these, only to find out the hard way that my corners wont accommodate em. There were 2 for sale just yesterday on EBay, one at a buy it now for 2239.00 and it was bid up over a grand, and now it;s gone. Someone must have just cut a deal ? 1500.00 for a nice pair of stock, working KHorns is a real deal. But, you know what's going to happen ? Someone is going to put a pair on EBay, and everyone is going to "wait and see" if they can get em for even less then I want, LOL Been there, done that, learned my lesson. When these came for sale locally, I jumped right on em. These are local owned speakers, never been out of Tampa. They were sold to Sensuous Sounds, a Klipsch dealer, right from Klipsch. I dont know about you, but I dont want to buy a pair that have travelled halfway across the country ? Someone is going to jump on these, and get a real deal on a nice set of speakers. The Forte's, once I changed their caps, sound very good too. I found a once in a lifetime deal on some equipment, and I need to sell these.

These sold locally here to a wonderful Klipsch head, and are going to a home where they will be loved and cherished! There will be other Klipsch "children" for KHorn to "Play" with, and all Mac tube stuff to "feed off: LOL! A word to the wise fellow Kliopsch lovers, AudioGon sucks for selling Klipsch. I had em on Audiogon for a week, but sold em on EBay the first day! Plus, on Ebay, I had 24 Emails in one day! Sorry you guys missed out, but be happy, they went to a wonderful home, and I made a great new friend!! Chris dba "KA7NIQ" Due to my lack of proper corners, I am selling a pair of very nice 1980's Walnut Klipschorns. I have placed em on Ebay, so go and bid here is the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5836887012 I also have a pair of original Forte's for sale for 400 dollars. I did replace all the crossover caps with polyproplyne, and used Mills audiophile resistors, as Dean suggested. All values in crossover are the same, i just upgraded parts quality. This made a huge difference in sound. The Forte's were going to be my rears, but since the Klipschorns are leaving, they must go too. The Forte's are a medium oak finish, and have the optional risers. Both are for sale on AudioGon and Ebay, so if you want Klipschorns, better act? My phone is 813 655 8777 and I am close to Tampa, Florida. I will ship the Klipschorns, but prefer someone to pick em up. They are too nice to get all banged up. I will also ship the Forte's. The Klipschorns are stock, except the tweeter diapraghms were replaced professionally by The Speaker Exchange here in Tampa, using original Klipsch OEM diapraghms. First come, first served!

This is the real story. Roy Delgado designed the original CF 4 to have deep bass, hence the 6 inch ports. He had to sacrifice a bit of efficiency to do so. The Original CF 4 was a radical departure in sound from the older Heritage series {Thank God} and was no where near as efficient. Also, it was not well received in dealers showrooms, since the dual woofer/mid D'Appolito alignment required prospective buyers to actually sit down, and listen. To a standing listener, the CF 4 could sound pretty bad, since the sound was dominated by the vertical pattern of the horn. Under pressure from dealers, Roy was forced to re design his masterpiece! The ports were shortened, and efficiency increased, turning it into a glorified boom box. This version 2 still kept the neo magnet woofers, and had a minor crossover change. Then, partly because the neo magnet woofers were so expensive, Roy was forced to re design the CF 4 for the third, and final time. The woofer was changed to a lighter, more efficient design. Unfortunately, the cone was no longer as damped, nor was the replacement magnet nearly as strong, and Roy's masterpiece was ruined! A series 2 can simply have it's ports replaced with series one ports, and low bass will return. Roy dont remember the slight crossover change, and there are no engineering notes. My email address is Ka7niq@yahoo.com, and my phone is 813 655 8777 for any who wish to know more. Currently, I own Klipschorns, and modified Forte's. IMHO, none hold a candle to the original CF 4. I should be shot for ever selling mine.

Big Diffwance, OUI ? The Inexpensive Bennic Polyproplynes sound great, and ditto for the Mills 40 ohm resistors. I also did the DJK mod, that is I soldered the terminals too right to the x over board. At first it was bright and edgy, but after 3 hours of play, it smoothed em right out.

If Hurricane Wilma dont blow Tampa away, I plan on changing all caps and Resistors in my original Forte's. Dean gave me a shopping list for resistors { I got Mills wirewound 1% 40 ohm 12 watters} And I bought all Bennic poly caps from Madisound. I really like the Forte's, and I am hoping this mod will "smooth em out" just a bit ? Anyone ever done this ? and how did you like it ?

When listening to a Klipsch Forte, should they be aimed at you, or fire straight ahead. The reason I ask is that I used to own Klipsch CF 4's. I had the great pleasure to speak with Roy Delgado about them. He told me to loook right down the horns throat when listening. However, I found them too bright that way, so I fired em straight ahead. The same thing is happening with the Forte's. Pointing at me, they are just a bit overwhelming. I would like to hear others experience with placement.

Right You are! I have had unbelievable results simply cutting a dipole for the center of FM Band, and pulling it up to the top of a tree! Its SO easy to get a wire in a tree! A fishing pole works great. I use at lease 20 lb test line, with just a 1 or two OZ sinker attached. Throw the sinker over the top part of the tree. Then, go find the sinker, and tie some poly rope to it. important to use Poly rope, it holds up way better! Simply go back to the fishing pole, and reel the line with the rope attached to it back over the tree/ Once you have the rope in hand, simply tie it to the dipole, walk back to other side of tree, and pull dipole up. Experience has taught that it dont really matter how the diploe is oriented, horizontal or vertical. Just get that puppy up as high as possible. of course, also tie a rope to bottom of dipole, to finally secure it in place. Once dipole is up, tie one end of rope off real good. Then grab the rope hanging off bottom end of dipole, and tie to something, being sure to leave some slack. It dont matter how it looks, and it can be vertically oriented, if you wish. In theory, Vertical will P/U more noise, but that high up, it really dont matter. Your height will place you well above most man made noise sources. Plus, vertical dipoles are omnidirectional too! If you have to tie it at a 45 degree angle, it will favor the direction it is pointed in, so if it slopes to the south, it will favor that direction. And, if you tie it to another tree, and its purely horizontal, it wilkl have nulls off the ends. I really dont like to go horizontal, because that requires another tree, and when the wind blows, it can easily rip the antenna in half! I had a vertical dipole up at 115 feet in a backyard tree in Seattle. It was amazing! Portland, Oregon and Vancouver Stations were full quieting! In FM, Height makes might! Plus, up at those heights, the signals received are much cleaner, and you can hear the difference. This is how it's done KA7NIQ Style. YMMV