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UPDATE Hello again everyone! It's now been several weeks since I first took delivery of my Klipsch RP-1600SW 16" subwoofer. The first few days were spent enjoying it nearly in the middle of our theater room, while I constructed a sliding platform to support the sub's final location; in a false corner beneath our bar, just behind the theater seats, which is where our old RSW-15 sub had resided. The middle of the floor was hardly the best place in which to get acquainted with a new sub. Especially, in this case; this sub has so much excursion that with it facing our seats, literally every time there was a large burst of bass, a windstorm of air shot out of the port at our chairs. as if we just turned a large fan on "high"! That beast moves a lot of air! However, now that it is resting in its permanent location behind our seats, everything is perfect! I have the sub set at 180 degrees phase, because it faces our RF-7s up front. The sub gain is set to #7. The low pass frequency is 150Hz, but the receiver sub setting is set to 80Hz (THX Compliant). This allows the RF-7's to go deeper (they are set to "large"). I am running the power switch at "On" (rather than "Auto" or "Standby") because power is cut to the sub when I switch my rack-mount Line Conditioner to "Off" whenever I am done using the system. System calibration was once again achieved using the on-board MCACC system in our Pioneer VSX-49TXi Flagship receiver (Circa 2004). I also made some manual adjustments to the system settings based on specific audio and video material playback and my own and my bride's hearing. Thrilled Beyond Belief Best described, this thing is a monster that plays well with others! I played so many movie scenes with which we were familiar, so many concert videos, CD cuts, everything. Comparing it to our beloved RSW-15, there was nothing the 1600 did not do better! The 1600 goes way deeper, is more impactive during explosions and such, is much more musical and at the same time, it handles lighter duty with finesse! It's acoustic impedance is so good using the new, Aerofoil port that we never heard any chuffing! We watched our Elton John 'Dream Ticket' concert DVDs. We heard so many lower notes that we have never noticed before. This is particularly true on the 2002 Disc #2 'London: The Royal Opera House' where Elton and his band play with the students of his old Alma Mater: The London Royal School of Music, a 95-piece symphony orchestra: Incredible! Disc #1 is from 2000 'New York: Madison Square Gardens'. An amazing concert which includes too many guests to mention, like Billy Joel. We ran segments of numerous movies: 'Flight of the Phoenix' (the remake) sandstorm scene, Master and Commander (the attack begins scene), 'Open Range' (the gunfight begins), and many more. This sub made our enter system sound better and to think it's all 23 years old! My bride and I are thrilled with our investment in yet, another major Klipsch break-though product line! If you aren't aware, Klipsch now offers 4 subs in its Reference Premier line: The RP-1000SW 10", RP-1200SW 12", RP-1400SW 14" and RP-1600SW 16". They are all well worth checking out. With proper placement, I think you too, will be amazed. The RP-1600SW is nothing short of limitless! -Glenn https://photos.app.goo.gl/He5oUxsvmhfcb6qE6

Note: My above testimony has now been edited to include my first impressions.

Hello everyone! I'm afraid it's been a few "minutes" since I last posted. For those of you who may remember me, I completed the building of my Klipsch HT back in 2004 and since that time, there have only needed to be a few equipment upgrades and repairs. But the theater is still very much alive-and-well. The mains are RF7 (first edition), center is an RC7, Surrounds are RS7 and rear are in-walls that are very similar to the R-5800 W II. The original subwoofer was an RSW-15. I started out with a 78" Stewart Filmscreen and a Sharp DLP Projector. Those have since been replaced with a 75" Samsung Series 8 flat-screen. Of course, over time, I upgraded the Pioneer Elite DVD player to a Blu-Ray and then again to a Panasonic 4K Blu-Ray player. My flagship, Pioneer Elite VSX-49TXi receiver is still kicking after having to replace the DSP card about 8 years ago, but it does not have any HDMI interface! Therefore, a lot of stuff is accomplished effectively using the 7.1 discreet inputs and outputs on the Panasonic 4K Blu-Ray player and the 5.1 (SPDIF) optical outputs from the video screen. Somehow it all works and is still impressive (to me). That brings us to the subwoofer: My trusty RSW-15 (circa 2004) has been a real powerhouse of a sub. I found it to be viscerally impactive during motion picture scenes and because we collect a lot of music concert videos, the RSW-15 is also extremely musical, including with my CD collection and vinyl, in my humble opinion. So then, why replace it? First, the sub is now 19 years old. Back in 2015, I had the internal amp's power supply let go when the 15" driver's voice coil went to ground. I had a local lab repair the amp and I replaced the driver with a new Klipsch OEM driver, thanks to the Klipsch parts department inventory. It was an expensive repair, but it bought me another 7 years use out of the sub. It failed again last September (2022). So, having been without a sub for the past 11 months (brutal, huh? LOL), I finally had saved up enough money to buy a proper replacement: The new, RP-1600SW. The 110-pound sub (137 pounds shipping) took exactly one week to arrive (free shipping - Thank you Klipsch!) and this past Tuesday, this enormous, semi truck with a 48-foot trailer pulled up in front of my little house and delivered this monster of a sub to my garage. The box was 29" x 30" and would not fit through my 29" side door to the basement. So, my son Bill and I unboxed it outside and moved it downstairs with an appliance dolly. We temporarily placed it on the floor below our screen and in front of our theater seats. I must build a small platform to support it before I can install it in it's permanent spot, beneath our theater's bar, where the old RSW-15 had always sat, behind the theater seats and set to 180 degrees phase. FIRST IMPRESSIONS: After a busy day of installing the sub and and another day where I had other obligations, yesterday, I was finally able to re-calibrate my system with Pioneer's on-board, MCACC acoustic calibration system. It had been several years since I last needed to re-calibrate, so back to the Pioneer Elite owner's manual I went, as I no longer could recall the exact procedure. After about an hour of "beeps" and "boops" and fiddling with some settings manually, I began using source material that I am very familial with, to fine-tune the system to my ears liking. I wound up with the two front RF7s set to large, all the other speakers set to small, the sub set to plus, the crossover frequency set to 80HZ so the RF7s can go deep and I added 3db volume to the rear channels and 2db volume to the sub. As for the sub settings, Phase is set to zero, low pass is set to 150HZ and volume is set to 9 out of 11. Yes, those design geeks at Klipsch do have a sense of humor: It's the only volume control I have that actually goes to "11"! The source material I used for now was Master & Commander DVD scene 4 "Under Attack", one heck of a canon-ball battle, the first couple of songs on the 1999 concert DVD of Peter Frampton: Live in Detroit and Top Gun Maverick, which I am seeing for the very first time (Wow, what a movie!). I found immediately that the 1600 goes much deeper than the RSW-15. The visceral elements I had with the 15 were still there with the 1600 only better. Musically, I think I would say that I found the 1600 to be even more musical that the 15. It's subtlety has more finesse than the 15. The front port of the 1600 moves an incredible amount of air! In some scenes I thought we had the floor fan on!! Because of the 1600's exclusive, port design, not once did I hear any port "chuffing"! Nice job, Klipsch! It's incredible how much excursion the 16" driver has on the 1600! Overall, for the moment, I must say I am not disappointed with my purchase. I'm impressed. And I believe that once I get this monster under our bar in it's own little false corner, this sub is only going to sound better! Stay Tuned!

D-Rex: I agree with the majority of solutions our fellow forum members above have suggested. Another area of possible contingency that was not really mentioned is "Bandwidth". It sounds to me as if your display is possibly not a "Smart TV", is this so? I believe it may not be because you did not mention using WiFi, nor a CAT6 cable directly top the TV. I assume this is why you are streaming via your DVD player. If this is so, that is fine. However, if I am mistaken and your TV is a smart TV, by all means, please do connect a good CAT6e cable to your TV and possibly eliminate some of your latency issues with your video feed. Since the pandemic began, Internet provides have needed to go to "Throttling" their bandwidth, so there's enough to go around. This is because over half of our workforce is now working from home and kids are schooling virtually. For example, my son has a family of 4. He and his wife are both very connected with their portable devices as well as video streaming, etc. My son is also a gamer. They have two teenaged kids who both are connected at the hip to the Internet. Plus, their son is a gamer as well. Their bandwidth draw was akin to a well going dry. If they were to get a dog, they'd probably name it "Latency". Three weeks ago, my son had the provider install Gigabit service (1,000 mbps). HUGE difference! In my situation, there are simply my bride and I, but we too are heavily connected to the web. We had 400 mbps service for quite a number of years, but lately we have been noticing the throttling and pixilation on our displays there used to never be an issue. Just this week, we upgraded to 600 mbps and there is a marked difference! Just a suggestion to consider.Best of luck! - Glenn

I agree. When I suggested a Heresey IV, my intention was that it is to be used upright. I probably should have been more precise. - Glenn

Me too! - Glenn

Perhaps, I'm way off base, but why not try a Heresey IV? It has a larger squawker, similar to the Forte and a lower profile.

DizRotus: Claude's Livingroom coffee table sub Gradation scale: Audiophile Enjoyment Level (AEL): +8 Wife Approval Factor (WAP): -7 - Glenn Sent from my SM-A205U using Tapatalk

buddyjenkins: Welcome to the forum! I too, had to have my RSW-15's power amp repaired after about 14 years of service. It turned out to be that the 15" driver's voice coil had developed some shorts in it. It caused the capacitors on the amp's power supply section to explode, along with a power transistor or two. I purchased a NOS 15" driver from the Klipsch parts department and had a local technician repair the amp. I used to run the sub on standby all of the time. But since the repair, I have opted to turn the sub on and off each time it is used in hopes of gaining some longevity. When I reassembled the sub, I left the original fiberglass insulation inside. I am very familiar with the mineral wool-type insulation of which you speak as it is similar to the Rockwool. I am currently using mineral wool to isolate my son's new dedicated home theater we are nearly done building. The mineral wool is amazing at helping to block sound between walls. It is very dense. It never occurred to me to use it inside my sub or any other speaker enclosure. My question for you is, if you go through with using the Rockwool in your sub, what differences are you expecting to be able to notice? -Glenn

Kentucky Gentleman: Welcome to the forum! If to do not plan to add ATMOS to your room, I would suggest you consider Di-Pole side surround speakers. However, if you do plan on incorporating ATMOS speakers into the mix, then I would recommend using direct speakers as you referred to them. This is the same recommendation given by Dolby. Best of luck! - Glenn

JLB: First of all, welcome to the forum! I experience the exact same issue in my theater. I have a Samsung UHD 75" and an older Pioneer Elite Flagship receiver. Because my receiver is older, I purchased it in 2004, it does not have HDMI connections. Therefore, in order to process the return audio from my screen while using streaming services such as Netflix and Disney+, I do the same thing as you: I send the audio feed to my Pioneer over the Digital optical (Toslink) cable. When entering Netflix (or Disney+) I initially hear the sound during the Splash Screen and show titles. But when I actuate "Play" to run the movie, the sound briefly interrupts and suddenly, I hear this loud "POP"! Not great for tweeters!! To counteract this, I used to shut off the receiver and turn it back on. I stopped doing that when I discovered it is much less hard on the receiver to simply switch the receiver's input selector to another device such as CD or VCR 1 before hitting "Play" until I see the movie start and then go back to the Optical input. I immediately hear normal sound and no "POP"! I have to believe this abrupt noise is caused by a "handshake" issue between the TV and receiver because I am not using the HDMI audio directly as my return sound. Yes, it's a pain in the butt, but until I have several grand to replace my legacy receiver, I can live with it. I hope this helps you. Best of luck! - Glenn

HTXNeewbie: Welcome to the forum!! I understand that you are building a 5.1.4 In-wall system with a budget of $1500-$2000 for all speakers and subs and placing them in a 17'x14' room and you'd like to know what is the best. Please let me start by saying that your budget (no offense intended) may prove to be unrealistic. Given the compromises exhibited by most in-wall systems, and there are several, you may be hard-pressed just to purchase the 5 speakers needed for LCR and Surround duties alone. In order to try and gain the "best" performance from in-wall and in-ceiling speakers, I would recommend you consider units which have at least, 8" woofers. The least expensive Klipsch in-wall with an 8" woofer is the R-3800-W II priced at $384 each. Five of them would cost $1,920+tax and any shipping: Boom: You're over two grand. For ceiling speakers, I would recommend the CDT-2800-C II at $304 each. Four of them would set you back another $1,216 + Tax and any shipping. $1,920+$1,216=$3,136. Finally, the minimum size sub I would recommend for a room that size (17'x14') would be a 12" Sub, but it really may need a 15". There is one Klipsch in-wall sub with two 8: drivers, the RW-5802-II, however it may not be available as there is no price currently listed. Currently, Klipsch has their SPL Series subs on sale: The 12", SPL-12 is $449.00 ($3,136+$449=$3,585) and the 15", SPL-15 is $749.00. ($3,136+$749=$3,885) Naturally, there are many other smaller-sized Klipsch in-wall speakers (and subs) that have smaller drivers and prices, but they would most-likely be an additional compromise in performance, which may prove to be a deviation away your "Best" metric. I hope this information helps to get you started in your decisions. Best of luck! -Glenn

Duncan: I am definitely, not a hater of RF-7's. My own 7.1 home theater is based on RF-7 I's. My rooms dimensions are small, too (11.5'w x 19'd). In looking at veera's 12.5' x 14.5' room, I recommended that Heresey 4's be considered over the towers because of the shallow depth of the room. With your room and mine being somewhat deeper, in my humble opinion, there's a bit more time for driver convergence to occur than in veera's. My seating distance for front row is 10 feet from the motorboards with 9 feet remaining behind the seats. As I'd stated in my post, my son's room is nearly identical in size to veera's and his 3, Heresey III's coupled with two 15" SW-115 subs really rock it! I also agree with pretty much everything you mentioned in your post above regarding not being able to crank the speakers up to their full potential in a room that size, which is why I believe my son's smaller Hereseys are such a good choice for a room smaller than ours. Plus, he has the added advantage of 3 Hereseys in an L-C-R array across the front, thereby making them timbre-matched while still clearing the bottom of the video screen. My son's screen is an 82" which hangs fairly low on the wall. -Glenn

JoeJoeThe3rd: I'm happy you found my post to be of some help. Please let us know how you made out, as well as what your opinion is of the machine you chose. -Glenn

JoeJoeThe3rd: I too, was interested in getting an Oppo. However they vacated the disc player market (at the top of their game, I might add) a couple of years ago (Samsung has vacated the disc player market as well) and newer offerings from various manufactures have more advanced features and updated video codec compliances than the older Oppo's. One machine, in particular that some reviewers have claimed to have matched Oppo's playback (video and audio) quality is the Panasonic UB-9000 4K UHD Disc Player ($999). However, being on a budget, I opted for the 9000's little brother, the Panasonic UB-820 4K UHD Disc Player ($499). I bought it a few weeks ago during Prime Day from Crutchfield for $100-off ($399)! It's a wonderful machine and the primary difference between it and its big brother is that the UB-9000 has superior build-quality: The 9000 weighs17 pounds! The UB-820 weighs 5 pounds. The 9000 has an onboard DAC and HDMI, Discrete Analog, Optical and Coaxial Audio output. The 820 has HDMI, discrete Analog and optical, no coaxial. For the money, the UB-820, especially if you can find it on sale, is the best buyer's choice, in my humble opinion. For a review on my findings on the Panasonic UB-820, please refer to the link to my post in AndreG's post above. Happy shopping! Best of luck! -Glenn

veera: Welcome to the forum!! Your room dimensions are nearly identical to the room my son and I are currently building in his basement. We're actually into our second year of construction and nearly finished. The Covid-thing set us back six months due to quarantine and the year before I had two knee replacements. Elsewise, we should have been done quite a while ago. I agree that you may want to consider a different approach to your LCR (Left, Center Right) speaker choices rather than towers. In my son Bill's room, he has 3, Heresey III's for LCR separated by 2, SW-115 Subwoofers and they sound awesome! I would recommend going with the newer, Heresy 4's as they were not available yet when we started Bill's room. The sound will never be better than when you have 3, timbre-matched speakers across the front! Be sure to use the floor cradles that come with them. Bill's system is a 7.2.4 ATMOS setup. He's running the amazingly low-priced, Denon AVC-X6500H, AVR and it seems to handle the system extremely well. He has an 82" Samsung QLED 6 series, UHD screen that feels optimal in the room. We skewed the side walls a total of 8 inches on each side (narrow at the screen wall, wide along the rear wall) in order to manage the bass energy and it works great! As for surrounds, Bill went with in-wall speakers due to their placement options and the fact that they really blend into the room well. If you are considering ATMOS, then I would recommend using Klipsch R-5800-W II, or R-5650-W II speakers for side and rear surrounds. If you don't want ATMOS, then substitute the side surrounds for a dipole speaker such as the R-5650-S II and use R-5650-W II for the rears. As for ceiling speakers, Bill choose the highly-regarded, CDT-5800-C II's. We used mineral wool insulation in all walls and ceilings and an acoustic membrane over the studs and joists onto which we hung 1/2" drywall on the walls. As for the ceiling, we just hung the track ceiling's L-Channel perimeter and are awaiting delivery of the Sonex Harmoni acoustic ceiling panels, which have a 3-week wait on delivery due to setbacks caused by the virus. We will hang the ceiling grid upon their arrival. Then Bill's room will be nearly complete! Best of luck and happy shopping! -Glenn

Kababayan: Welcome to the forum!! In my humble opinion, from your description of the sound being thin, it is quite possible that when you connected your speaker wires from your amplifier/receiver to the rear terminals of your speakers, that it is possible that one or more of the wires were not connected in proper phase with all of the connectors. In other words, the (+) Red terminals must be connected to the (+) Red terminals at both ends and the (-) Black terminals must be connected to the (-) Black terminals at both ends, while observing proper polarity within the speaker wires. Your wire might be labeled with pluses and minuses, or one wire might be silver and the other gold or the insulator might be red and white or black and white, etc. But, be certain that regardless of the type of markings, the same marking is used at both ends for the same terminal color! It's also important to use the correct wire thickness as very thin wire will limit the power output from your amp to the speakers, especially in runs of 20 feet or more. Try to stick with wire sizes that are either, 16, 14 or 12 gauge, with 12 being the largest and 16 being the smallest. I do not recommend speaker wire smaller than 16 gauge, such as 18, 20 and the like. Best of luck! -Glenn

Loudio: Frist of all, welcome to the forum!! I agree with Willland: It appears to be a portion of the old Klipsch ProMedia 5.1 Ultra system, which was a complete 5.1 setup and which I have had the pleasure of owning. It looks like it may be two of the 4 satellites and the center channel speaker. The system also originally came with an 8" powered subwoofer that contained amplification for all of the satellites and center channel. It was originally released by Klipsch around 2001-2002. It worked extremely well as a computer sound system. I hope this helps. - Glenn BTW: Good one Mallette! LOL

Jeet: Welcome to the forum!! I personally, have a Pioneer Elite flagship receiver in my 7.1, Klipsch RF-7 Reference Series setup. It's performance is nothing short of stellar. On the other hand, my son, just installed a receiver from Denon in his under construction, 7.2.4 theater, that I consider the best deal of 2020: The Denon AVC-X6500H, which can be had for close to $1,500! It's 8 HDMI 2.2 inputs with eARC and 4K HDR support, compatibility with Dolby ATMOS (7.1.4) and DTS:X and the ability to play hi-res music files and share them around the house via HEOS and ALEXA,(140 W/Ch @ 8 ohms RMS) Amplifier/Wi-Fi and Bluetooth on board and handles a second zone system, too! It also has on-board room calibration. This receiver does it all for an amazing price and sounds great! Best of luck and happy shopping! - Glenn

Good Morning, all! We've now been living with our Panasonic UB-820 4K UHD Player for nearly a week. During this time, we have watched the only 2 UHD discs we have since acquired: 'Top Gun' 4K Version twice, once with a friend visiting from Nevada who has her own Klipsch theater setup, and select scenes from the first 'Matrix' 4K version, especially the "Lobby Shootout", a scene we used on regular DVD back in 2004 by which to just 13 different home theater speaker brands for impact, clarity and dynamics. At that time, Verna and I had auditioned Martin Logan. KEF, B&W, Energy, Jamo, M&K and many others, with Klipsch RF-5's as the representative model, but we ordered RF-7s instead! Best sound, best impact, best dynamics, best sound stage and best "WOW-factor", hands down over the others! We are very familiar with the material on both discs. Our friend Robin, from Nevada reacted IMMEDIATELY last evening during the opening scenes for 'Top Gun' 4k: "Great picture!", she said. Her own system is no slouch, but she has yet to consider a 4k player of her own. I think she is now. The detail in even the fast action scenes is incredible as compared to the original 1986 version. It is literally like watching the actual 35mm motion picture film, for the first time all over again. HDR (High Dynamic Range) is an amazing addition to movie-watching at home. It certainly does make the visual experience much more cinematic and real-life-like! In 'Matrix' we noticed that some in scenes, because so much additional detail is now apparent, the viewer can notice some flaws in a few scenes that before, we not very noticeable. One scene in particular is the "Lobby Shootout". The supposed "granite" wall panels that Carrie-Ann Moss is shown running on, actually give (buckle) under her weight. Oops! LOL The HDR really sets the mood of each dark scene, making them appear to be more "contrasty", sinister and "film noir"-like, which I feel heightens the tension amid the actors in the scenes, yet there remains plenty of detail. It's difficult to judge a new disc player with just two movies and old ones at that . 'The Matrix' was originally released in 1999, but it certainly looks new now. We're anxious to view a few of the new releases in 4K to compare. Perhaps 'Maverick' when it finally drops? Hmmm...I see a theme developing here. LOL Regarding the sound, we currently have a 7.1 system and our son and I are nearly finished building his dedicated 7.2.4 Atmos room at his house. With that said, the sound is a bit better, I believe, that the original DVD release versions. However, I plan to re-review after my son's ceiling speakers are up and running. My first take on the Panasonic UB-820: It surprises and does not disappoint! And it was a bargain at $399.99! But, I really need more time and more 4k discs to give an educated opinion. Thanks for your kind attention. Have a blessed day, everyone! - Glenn

SUCCESS! Many of you already were aware that this was Primeday Week at Amazon. I accordance with that, I assume, many vendors in turn, lowered their own prices as well. In my case, Crutchfield, who stocks Panasonic lowered the Panasonic UB-820 price by $100 to $399.99! The UB-900, however was still $999.99. So, there is now a shiny, new UB-820 4K UHD player sitting in the second slot down from the top of our theater rack! My bride and I picked up two new 4K remastered versions of 'Top Gun' (the original) and 'The Matrix' (the first one) on Wednesday and all we can say is, "WOW"! Thanks everyone for your helpful input! I will post my full opinions of the player after we've lived with it for a while. Have a great day, everyone! - Glenn P.S.: By the way, for those of you who know Dr. Who from the forum, he made a stop at our place overnight this Tuesday and Wednesday. He's doing GREAT!

Islander: Thanks for the advice! I was assuming the same thing you'd said, but now I have confirmation. It would be nice to utilize the high-quality DAC in the 900, but considering the 820 is half the price, it's difficult, when on a tight budget, to pass up a good deal like this. Now to look for sales! - Glenn

nydennis: First of all, welcome to the forum. It sounds like you would like to keep things quite compact and there are numerous wall-mount/bookshelf offerings from Klipsch out there. However, many of them are sold only in pairs, unless you can make a deal directly with a Klipsch distributor. One exception, is the Klipsch Synergy Black Label B-100, which is sold as a single, so you'd need 3 of them. https://www.klipsch.com/products/synergy-b-100-bookshelf-speakers This is an obvious step down in size from your existing setup, but the B-100's may be set on a shelf or they have slots on their back for wall-attachment. They are not self-powered, but can still fill smaller rooms well, especially if you keep that 15 inch sub. I hope this gets you started on track. - Glenn

DizRotus: Yeah, for the last year and a half, with little-to-no explanation, I tend not to sleep very well. Sometimes I'm up at 3 or 4 in the morning for an hour or two. I read the paper on line and have a couple cups of coffee, as the caffeine is never an issue and go I back to bed. Verna has trouble sleeping too due to a side-effect of one of the anti-estrogen meds they put her on following her chemo treatments (ugh!). This morning I have an appointment soon, so I got up and showered early. Verna and I are doing great and hope that you and your bride are too. Nice to hear from you, buddy! - Glenn

Schu: Yes, I replaced my ancient, Sharpvision 1080i DLP projector with a 75" Samsung 8 Series, UHD 4k flat-screen and love it! Previously, I had the Sharp ceiling mounted and it projected onto a 78" Stewart Greyhawk screen. The Samsung's picture is so much bolder, brighter and detailed that I have not missed that lost 3" of screen. I did consider going to the 82", which my son has, but it would have been a bit too much "In-Your-Face" from my 10-foot viewing distance. LOL Since I don't have HDMI in my old receiver, I am using the S/PDIF Optical output from the display as my ART (Audio Return Channel). My son is a gamer, but I am not, so that is not an option for me. Thanks! - Glenn