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  1. I agree with your comments and they are spot on... Here is my statement to address along your comments that I feel line up.. As follows My comments: I absolutely cannot let go of my RF7 III's since I bought the corn IV's in addition to having the RF7's I cannot let either go and have stressed myself out trying which one's to get rid of. I have concluded I am going to keep the RF7III's with all my surround junk.. yahama 9.2 channel A3080 intregrated receiver and my emoptiva 3 channel amp with my 4 atmos 500sa's and my surround 502S pair and my RC64 III center channel and use that stuff for my home theatre surrounds..(I may invest with yahama's new state of the art A8A amp coming out soon) .. .But for immeadiate future I am going to buy a 2 channel amp (parasound hint6) or maybe a cheap McIntosh intregrated amp and use the 2 channel amp on my corn IV's along with maybe a bluesound node 2021 version so I can stream efficiently. then maybe later add a turn table. I realize I took offense when some said get rid of all that junk but now realize corn's are for refined listening..... P.S. My take on tube amps is after many consultations is tube amps may filter and smooth out pleasure audiophile listening however a good solid state intregrated amp or a pre amp, amp combo either will surifce. Tube amps are audiophile's fantacy but do not really seperate audio sound enough from solid state amps. anyway.. Thanks guys for giving me direction..
  2. Man, I agree .. I absolutely cannot let go of my RF7 III's since I bought the corn IV's in addition to having the RF7's I cannot let either go and have stressed trying which one's to get rid of. I have concluded I am going to keep the RF7III's with all my surround junk.. yahama 9.2 channel A3080 intregrated receiver and my emoptiva 3 channel amp with my 4 atmos 500sa's and my surround 502S pair and my RC64 III center channel and use that stuff for my home theatre. I am going to buy a 2 channel amp (parasound hint6) or maybe a cheap McIntosh intregrated amp and use the 2 channel amp on my corn IV's alomg with maybe a bluesound node 2021 version so I can stream efficiently. then maybe later add a turn table. I realize I took offense when some said get rid of all that junk but now realize corn's are for refined listening and would be almost a waste on the surround junk and better suited for great 2 channel clean listening. Sooo??
  3. These responces are great and gives me focus as how to approach. The comments " Yes it’s true that the law of diminishing returns kicks in at some point,". Is a realistic comment and it is up to the end user how to judge his investment vs his return". Great comment shakeydeal.... I am in the position as to how much can I afford to spend vs what I can get in return and the spend amount isn't much so ?? I will be honest as I listen to both pair right now I cannot hear a lot of difference except from the corn IV's seperation of the 3 way and wider cabinet where as the RF7 III delivers compact mid range because of being a 2 way and more compact cabinent. However truly they both sound great. BTW! wouldn't tube amps and hi tech stuff also improve the quality of listening in the RF III's also??
  4. I talked to a couple of professional audio specialist about whe return on investment for the real expensive add on's to tweek speakers and units such as tube amps and expensive turntables and other pre amp accessories as many on this group post they're hardware and a lot if not all post hi tech expensive preamps and tube amps or top names such as McIntosh. I ask for that great expense what is the reward or return and both said if one has quality intregrated amps and even a power amp delivering 3 channel 275 watts etc. not junk you probably get most of your greatest quality listening peak of 90% and both said of the remaining 10% of the best possible sound that remotely audible the guys spending all that money probably get an additional 3 to 4 % improvement of that remaining 10% of perfection and to some the 3 to 4 % improvement is enough to justify the real expensive add on hardware. But to the average listener with average knowlege of speakerbrands and receivers and amps etc the 90% is enough for them. Both said most of the real expensive add ons is basically for bragging rights and to some their expensive stuff is no better than the average joe blow. I know one thing I want to possible build my cornIV's with a nice preamp and tube amp and just 2 channel and see how they really stack up to my common yahama intregated 165 watt surround receiver and emotiva 275 watt 3 CHANNEL amp driving the RF7 III's and see where it all stacks up especially for those who dump on guys like me and say get rid of all that junk Don't know If I want to spend 5 or 6 or even 19K on all extras unless I want to build a recording studio..Wonder how many private jets some own?
  5. I still have two pair of speakers.. I have cornwall IV's 3 weeks old and RF7 III's new one week( sold first pair after 1 yr then bought new again week ago ). I am not an electronic wiz at all and I did not realize what I would be getting myself into by buying both pair. I do not have any fancy tube amps or turn tables or extras.. I just have both hooked up to a selector switch and switch between both pair. I drive them both with yahama RX-A3080 9.2 intregated receiver and a emotiva 3 channel amp at 275watts... I have spl-150 sub and 4 RP 500 sa...atmos speakers 2 used for atmos up and 2 used for surround backs then RS-500S for surround .. I mainly have used the rf7-III's for my surround system and to me it is great but after buying cornwall IV's now some are saying ditch the surrounds and junk emotiva and yahama. Then they expound I should get a elaborate tube amp and turntable and other hi dollar accessories. My confused question is ! Why do I have to ditch any of my surround stuff including the RF7 III's??? I realize both the rf's and corn's deliver differently and efficiency is much better in the 3 way corn's. Therefore many suggest the corn's are better suited for audiophile listeners. OK, I can buy that! So # 1. Am I correct saying both are great speakers except the corn's are suited for different listening especially with hi tech tube amps and add on's (turntables and reel tapes etc etc) Thats a lot of money and I cannot afford to be a true audiophile in that instance BUT I repeat BUT !!! I am wondering maybe to get the true value out of both pair of speakers (instead of trying to decide which pair to sell, which is blowing my mind because not even having expensive tube amps and hi tech on either pair I still LOVE both)... I still believe my gear delivers great sound but I am assuming the hi tech stuff (tube amps and turntables) filter and purify the sound to the max and there is a distinct notible difference and tells me that the sky is the limit depending how much money one wants to spend !! However if tube amps and hi tech add ons are that notibly great I was also told even the rf7III's would sound great with tube amps and hi tech stuff too. So all I can say is WOW!!!! Now if thats true then one would have to pick which pair sounds better the corns or rf's but many say the corns are better listening because of 3 way system and bigger case etc with the ports... OH WELL! So here is what I am boiling it down to !!! I am thinking in order to get the max out of utilizing both pair of my speakers I am going to keep the rf7III's with all my inferior junk(as some say) yamaha and surround stuff including the emotiva junk and listening to that set up for movies and yes even music or whatever but I am thinking about setting the corn's up with as affordable tube amp set up and turntable system to see if there is notible difference so I maybe able to have the best of 2 worlds so to speak. So HELP me plkease ! I do not know what equipment is needed to use tube amps. Do I need a preamp and then the tube amp?? And is the tube amps low watts because of they're efficiency?? but do they only hook up to 2 channels. So tell me what I need to set up corn's to get (Limited) audiophile listening quality. I say limited because I see some here has $10,000 tube amps and hi dollar turn tables etc etc and I cannot afford hi dollar so what could I get to give me good audiophile quality for most economical buck?? Lastly: Tell me what I need in equipment to get to set up the corn's for audiophile listening. Again and lastly such as Is a pre amp necessary(Because I do not know what they do?) and then a 2 channel amp in line with the preamp?? I understand a pre amp allows to hook up several accessories such as turn tables, reel players and other switchable devices?? OK guys help this uneducated listener become a ture audiophile? Thanks !!! Sorry but you guys are the pro's !
  6. Cornwall IV's RC64 III Center RF 7 III switch back and forth.. Emotiva 275 watt 3 channel hooked up to my left, front, center and right front speaker. RP 502S surrounds 2Ea. RP 500SA front presence 2EA. RP 500SA used for rear surrounds using selector switch set to surrounds. Yahama A-3080 9.2 channel , 165W/channel to remaining surrounds (502S). surround back (RP500SA) and front presence atmos.(RP500SA)
  7. I had two pair cornwall IV and RF 7 III.. The rf7iii i had 10 " from the wall and angled slightly towards my center and they sounded good. 2 to 3' is way too far out They depends on your accoustic listening area too. I sold the RF7III last week and set up my corns IV and they sound great BUT!!!! I am not adaqpting too well to the 3 way system just yet. (Sooo Today I ordered new RF7 III to put in nect to my TV stand and then the cornwall IV's on the outside about 10' apart. I love3 sounds so much I am going to alternate switching back and forth but mainly use my RF7 III for surround set up with my RC 64III center and two surrounds RP 500S and also have $ ea. RP 500 SA. two in front as atmos settings and two in for rear surrounds set for surround back. My ears has difficult time adapting to the corn IV's 3 way because to me the horns blare a little but I love them if the music is right but I miss the rf7III's I think they are more solid in delivery where the cornIV fills the whole room whereas the RF's delivers solid and yes fills the space but now as freely open as the corns. If I graduate to liking one pair more than the other I will sell a pair. owning two pairs is really a stretch for money spent vs what you need. BUT To repeat they both are great. ( To mention, I do have hearing loss hi freq) and that's why the corn's mid horns and tweets seem a little hi pitched and if tuened up too high gives me a ringing. Love klipsch no matter what!! I will enjoy both til I have to decide which pair to marry the rest of my life !!!
  8. I agree with your summary to a degree. however I pre judged the corn IV's unfairly only because I was partial to the RF7 III's. but now that I am playing more quality tracks I feel the cornwalls are performing great. To pick one pair of speakers vs the others is picky even though I think the corn IV's are slightly better listening... They both deliver nicely now that I am doing things differently. BTW! I have nice hi quality receiver and amp. delivering 275 watts per channel, driving 3 channels. Don't think it's my system even tho one can spend 1000's more getting all the hi tech and then find they're music sounds are not that much different from one's "cheap" stuff. It's funny spending 1000's more forces one the believe they have the best sounds on this earth til the guy with average struff sounds as good or better only because he may have better ears!!!
  9. Having the two pair together for me is something I should not have done. I love sounds by my ear and it is driving me nutts that the difference isn't jumping out to allow me to say WOW! This one is a lot better than theother pair.... NOT! What to me it is doing is if I stay with one pair and by getting rid of the other pair going to make me say wow, I really miss that sound no matter which pair i sell .. The cornwalls IV's spread out a little and the RF 7III's compact or narrow down the sound in a smaller space that makes the depth or talking or music more in the middle or lower keyed. Problem is they bopth sound GREAT in they're own right. What a delima !!!
  10. Now owning both RF7 III and now cornwall IV.. I am so angry with myself because I have my listening ear totally confused. The speakers are so very close. I have a speaker selector switch and I can switch from one pair to the other pair within a second.I drive FL, center and FR with emotiva 275 watt amp and my other surrounds with Yamaha RX-A 3080 165 Watts per channel... I have been going back and forth 100 times so I can distinct the differences. There is a difference from cornwallIV and RF7III but its a toss up to decide which one's you like better. To me when I switch back and forth playing the same sounds over and over switching speakers I can hear the cornwalls slightly more distinct and wider in sound delivery. The RF7III is more of a compact sound since they are not as wide yet also they are also in the lower midrange and the cornwalls playback is slightly in the upper mid range that give a little more crispness.also the wider cornwall IV is a hugh factor in the wider sound. They both deliver great sounds and I find to me owning both pair is not justified and I must make a choice as hard as it is I choose the cornwalls over the RF's. I also played both with my other surrounds and watch latest digital technology movies and man yes the cornwall to me is a hair more desirable. I have klipsch center RC-64III and surrounds are RP 500S and 4 ea. 500SA.. I use 2 atmos front atmos and 2 rear surrounds using the selector switch. I find the cornwalls IV's match great with my center channel and the wideness again delivers a broader sound in watching hi tec movies. To mention it to me is NOT an easy decision.. I guess the higher price of the cornwalls in this case kindof makes it a value added choice Just in my opinion. Do not let someone say the cornwalls are more of a music speaker and the RF's are more of a movie speaker. NOT SO ! They both do well if they are properly matched with components...
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