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Hello Klipsch-ers! To make a long story short, I have one Klipsch Forte I with bad water damage on one side of the cabinet. They've been boxed, new, in a basement for as long as I can remember, and recently were moved and one box happened to be on its front side during a flood of the basement. Likely no more than half and inch of water, but it soaked the front side of the cardboard box, and the veneer MDF bordering the face of speaker on that side is wet and expanded. The cloth is now dry, and the diaphragm, dust cap, etc seem untouched. There seems to be some light mold or something on the face (see pic), but as far as I know it can be wiped off no problem. I'm basically wondering what my options are here — I haven't tested the speaker yet, but everything else *seems* to be okay on it (again, they've been in box since I imagine purchase in the 80s). Can the cabinet be repaired/replaced, and what what would that look like in terms of money or labor? If at all possible, I'd like to keep it — they were my father's so they have some sentimental value, plus I know they're just damn good speakers and the other one is perfectly good, practically mint. I'm only a budding "audiophile", if that, so I don't know a whole lot but would really love to know what I can do here, or if I need to do anything — it's possible they still work fine and one might just be a little ugly. Would appreciate any advice!
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Sherman, set the WABAC machine to Forte I & Forte II
Arkytype posted a topic in General Klipsch Info
Attached are two crossover network schematics of the Forte I and Forte II I found on the Klipsch forum. I assume these to be accurate. Note that the circuit topology is identical for both and with the exception of the inductor in the tweeter filter, all passive components differ only in value. Note also that on the Forte I schematic that the squawker is wired with inverted polarity but not the tweeter. On the Forte II schematic the tweeter is wired with inverted polarity but not the squawker. Can anyone explain the following: 1. Why invert either of the two drivers in the two Forte models? 2. Why was the squawker inverted on the Forte I and the tweeter inverted on the Forte II? I looked at a dozen or so Klipsch crossover networks posted on the Forum and found a few networks with driver polarity inverted. AL-2: squawker and tweeter AL-3: curiously, all drivers wired "normally". Heresy II: tweeter inverted Obviously, changes in drivers or network topology may dictate the necessity of inverting the polarity of one or more drivers to achieve a more uniform frequency response. But I find it curious that the Forte I and Forte II inverted different drivers in the two respective models. Lee
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After the self-inflicted difficulties with installing my Crites crossovers, I was a little hesitant about tackling the titanium diaphragms. But the instructions on Bob's website were pretty clear and I have a multimeter handy to test the connection. Finally I took the plunge and I'm glad I did -- once I started it took around 15 minutes to replace both! I noticed a little extra clarity and a clearer soundstage after installing the crossovers. The titanium diaphragms took the process to a whole new level: it is the aural equivalent of cleaning a dirty window. Everything is brighter and sharper, not just the highs. Cymbals sparkle and stand out: Freddie Hubbard's trumpet on 1970's Red Clay is so clear you can hear him hitting the spit valve. The Ti upgrade definitely makes the speakers less forgiving: badly recorded material goes from tinny to nails on a blackboard as every bit of distortion is reproduced with painful fidelity. But the glorious improvements on good recordings well worth $54/pair + shipping. I must admit that this has me wondering about titanium midrange diaphragms. On another forum I saw Moray James commenting on how much Ti midranges improved his system and Klipsch's current Heritage lineup uses Ti midranges, but I'm not sure where I would purchase these. (Critesspeakers.com also has a very helpful tutorial on changing the midranges on a Heresy, but I believe he only has phenolic midrange diaphragms). But for now I'm simply going to bask in the glory of these improvements and give Bob Crites thanks once again for making my world a more musical place. -
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pioneerhip posted a topic in Garage Sale
Original Klipsch Forte speakers. Conservatively rated 8/10. Consecutive serial numbers. They look great and sound fantastic. Grills are in perfect shape with original badges. Look at the pics and ask questions. They are ready to be hooked up and enjoyed. No trades and Not willing to ship. I need to sell these so make an offer!
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Hello! I'm new to these forums. Wanted to say hello - I'm sure I'll be asking for more help soon. I'm starting with the Forte I for my first Klipsch adventure, and, I know it's just the beginning. I found a pair fairly cheap (black finish) here in the valley (of the Sun) - cabinets are in good shape, but the stands are a wreck. Electronically they are ok, aside from both tweeters being shot... This is fine, as I had already planned (and finished today) the Crites ti diaphragm upgrade. Waiting on Crites XO's too. Any insight regarding the repair and refinish of the stands is appreciated! Should I just build new ones? These have missing chunks of veneer and splitting elsewhere...maybe they used these speakers in the pool... Also, I log all my misadventures on my blog - http//:thenewold.co Thanks in advance - Darren
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After replacing the midrange and tweeter diaphragms with titanium I was generally blown away by the additional clarity. I did notice, however, that badly recorded material became difficult to listen to: MP3s show every artifact in painful (and I do mean painful) detail. The weirdest thing, however, is that now when listening to Misfits Ray Davies sounds like he's singing through a sweaty sock after taking enunciation lessons from Michael Stipe. There are other CDs and songs which show this distortion but the Kinks are the absolute worst. This is not my imagination. When I played the source material through my Bose 10.2s it sounds crystal clear but through the Fortes it sounds awful. My wife heard "Misfits" through both speaker systems and agreed Ray Davies sounded worse through the Fortes. Right now I'm listening to Lindsey Buckingham's 1981 Law and Order. His voice is clear as a bell and there is not a hint of distortion in the music. I would say this is the case for about 80% of the music in my collection. (I'm excluding 128k MP3s and other bad material although I will note they also sound much better through the 10.2s than my fully refurbed Fortes. Say what you like about Bose, the 10.2s are very euphonious and forgiving). The other 20% shows a greater or lesser degree of blurring. I suspect this has something to do with the crossover frequencies and might be my excuse to try bi-amping the Fortes with an active crossover (or upgrading to Cornwalls or La Scalas -- we all know how the addiction works, don't we?). I checked the diaphragms and they are all installed properly: I wonder if the Crites crossovers, which are lying on a wooden block on the speaker's floor, aren't resonating at certain frequencies and Davies (whose vocal range is about three notes) happens to hit those frequencies. Right now I'm more curious than anything and wondered if anybody has ever had a similar experience.
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I have now installed what should be the final update in my Klipsch Forte Is -- titanium midrange diaphragms. Moray James was absolutely right: they make an enormous difference for the better in the sound. There is much better separation between instruments and a wider soundstage: there's also a far greater clarity to vocals. There are only two things to watch out for when installing these diaphragms. The first is that you must be careful about getting those big heavy drivers out of the horn slot: there's a small curve atop the left side where you can get them out with relative ease. The second is that the positive terminal on the titanium diaphragms is wider than the negative: you will need to open up the connector on the crossover wire with needle nose pliers to get it on. Neither of these are particularly difficult: if a technodunce like me can do it in 20 minutes you probably can do it in 10. As an added bonus, the blown channel on my MA6200 turned out to be a dirty speaker relay: I've now run the system through its paces with a playlist that started with Sarah Connelly singing Elgar's "Sea Pictures" and ended with Arvo Part's Lamentate with Amon Tobin, Dire Straits, Shelly Manne & his Men and others thrown in for good measure. Everything sounds fantastic and I couldn't be happier with this upgrade. (Now I can't wait to see what they sound like after a few hundred hours of break-in... ).
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I inherited these speakers from my dad awhile back and have enjoyed using them. We are downsizing and I must reluctantly offer them for sale. They have some water staining on the tops and a small crack in the back of one speaker (see photo). Asking $450. I regret that I don't have a way to ship them, so they are pick-up only in the Boston area.
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The ordering process was painless and the package even got here a day early. I am hoping to add the new crossovers tomorrow after my 5 year-old goes to preschool -- as any parent will tell you, tinkering with stereos with a 5-year old at home is a recipe for disaster, especially if you live in an apartment. My speakers sound amazing as is -- I'm presently listening to Paul Desmond's Glad to be Unhappy as we speak and it's like a massage for your ears. I'm waiting to hear what they will sound like with refreshed crossovers and will keep everybody posted. (I also got the titanium tweeters and am planning to put them in next. I first wanted to make sure the crossover upgrade wasn't beyond my limited capabilities before tampering with fragile diaphragms. This may seem overly cautious until you've seen some of my previous misadventures in electronics).
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