Audio Flynn Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I have this Neil Young" Everyone Knows This Is Nowhere" it has a bit of surface noice between tracks and a few noticeable pops. Its darn musical and passionate. The cover was moldy but the LP is in a very nice HIFI sleeve. For you youngster newbies: You are limited in your rock and roll experience if you have not heard Down by the River and Cinamon Girl a couple of hundred times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Guy Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 One of my favorite albums! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmusic Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 I have 1st pressings of Led Zeppelin's I, II, III, and IV. Also Pink Floyds (Dark Side of The Moon). Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipbarrett Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 I have 1st pressings of Led Zeppelin's I, II, III, and IV. Also Pink Floyds (Dark Side of The Moon). Jay From where though? Here's how the post-mix product path used to go back in the day; 1) Master Tape (sometimes a copy if the original has too many edits to be safe) is delivered to the mastering house 2) eq & compression decisions are made & lacquer's are cut, at the same time a Production Master tape is created reflecting these decisions (-1 generation) 3) a tape op makes multiple copies of this Production Master for distribution to worldwide record manufacturing plants (- 2 generations) 4) plant in the US/elsewhere receives this copy, makes a safety copy and archives the original, uses safety copy to cut lacquers ( -3 generations) As you can see, a foreign release could be many generations of tape copying away from the original. Compounding this was that "less worthy" markets would get lower quality copies. I've seen the US, UK & Germany get a digital production master & the rest of the world get 15ips tape with no noise reduction! Add in the fact that only 1 original Master Tape exists but many 100s of Production Master copies are scattered around & you see why the "made from the original master tape" should be treated with some sceptiscm. Even the terms Master & Production Master are confusing, there is no standard way of labelling studio tapes, each studio had it's own nomenclature & again, the record plant might happily re-label a Production Master as Master just so as not confuse their in-house people between it & the safety copies. In the early days of CDs I was in a record store with the producer of a famous musical, he spotted the highly expensive 2 CD set of his work & commented, "that's interesting, the master tapes are still in my house!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 There are some really great sounding first pressings and some really horrible ones. Most green label Warner Bros and original Columbia 2 and 6-Eyes sound fantastic. Also, many Atlantic first pressings are excellent. The only decent original early Led Zeppelin pressing was Zep I IMO. Most of the others sounded dreadful. There are many more but these are the ones that stand out in my mind. Examples: Warner Green label: America's first couple LPs Early Grateful Dead LPs Early Van Morrison Columbia 2-Eye: Chicago Transit Authority (Chicago I) Early Simon & Garfunkel Most jazz LPs like Brubeck, Mulligan, Miles Davis, etc. Early Dylan Early Blood, Sweat & Tears New Riders, Panama Red Atlantic: Stephen Stills, Mannasas Anything from Coltrane Anything from Modern Jazz Quartet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebes Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 May sound silly, but how do you know if it's a first pressing as traditionally understood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennie Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 May sound silly, but how do you know if it's a first pressing as traditionally understood? Good question Thebes! I just received a copy of CSNY, Deja Vu Live. On the wrapper there is a sticker that says First Pressing. But no where else on the album cover, Liner, or actual records does it say First Pressing. Once I remove the cellophane wrapper......who would know it is a first pressing? Thanks, Dennie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 You have to ask Travis (DWI Lawyer). He knows exactly what should be in the dead wax of every 1st pressing classic rock LP ever released.[] Other than that, I just assume it's close enough to sound like a first pressing if it looks right. Warner has to be green label, usually with the W7 in orange. The 2 and 6 eyes are easy enough. BTW - Anything with a wrapper that says First Pressing HAS to be a fake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennie Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 You have to ask Travis (DWI Lawyer). He knows exactly what should be in the dead wax of every 1st pressing classic rock LP ever released. Other than that, I just assume it's close enough to sound like a first pressing if it looks right. Warner has to be green label, usually with the W7 in orange. The 2 and 6 eyes are easy enough. BTW - Anything with a wrapper that says First Pressing HAS to be a fake! I hate Fakes!!! [:@] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmusic Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 I have 1st pressings of Led Zeppelin's I, II, III, and IV. Also Pink Floyds (Dark Side of The Moon). Jay From where though? Here's how the post-mix product path used to go back in the day; 1) Master Tape (sometimes a copy if the original has too many edits to be safe) is delivered to the mastering house 2) eq & compression decisions are made & lacquer's are cut, at the same time a Production Master tape is created reflecting these decisions (-1 generation) 3) a tape op makes multiple copies of this Production Master for distribution to worldwide record manufacturing plants (- 2 generations) 4) plant in the US/elsewhere receives this copy, makes a safety copy and archives the original, uses safety copy to cut lacquers ( -3 generations) As you can see, a foreign release could be many generations of tape copying away from the original. Compounding this was that "less worthy" markets would get lower quality copies. I've seen the US, UK & Germany get a digital production master & the rest of the world get 15ips tape with no noise reduction! Add in the fact that only 1 original Master Tape exists but many 100s of Production Master copies are scattered around & you see why the "made from the original master tape" should be treated with some sceptiscm. Even the terms Master & Production Master are confusing, there is no standard way of labelling studio tapes, each studio had it's own nomenclature & again, the record plant might happily re-label a Production Master as Master just so as not confuse their in-house people between it & the safety copies. In the early days of CDs I was in a record store with the producer of a famous musical, he spotted the highly expensive 2 CD set of his work & commented, "that's interesting, the master tapes are still in my house!" Phil,I am at work now so I can't put my hands on them, but I can tell you this much about them. They are on the Atlantic Red/Plum label all have the earliest matrix numbers and the correct info in the deadwax. The Floyd has the solid triangle and the correct info in the deadwax. Oh yea!!! they are all from the UK. Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 You have to ask Travis (DWI Lawyer). He knows exactly what should be in the dead wax of every 1st pressing classic rock LP ever released. Other than that, I just assume it's close enough to sound like a first pressing if it looks right. Warner has to be green label, usually with the W7 in orange. The 2 and 6 eyes are easy enough. BTW - Anything with a wrapper that says First Pressing HAS to be a fake! I hate Fakes!!! I stand corrected Dennie! My bad. I thought you were talking about a 60s or 70s pressing. Next time I might actually read the thread carefully before making stupid comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipbarrett Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 I find it amusing that we covet this vinyl so much yet all of it was originally cut on the "audiophile" scourge known as the Direct-Drive Turntable. Apparently, according to the cogniscenti, it's good enough to make a record on but not good enough to play one back! Caveat - I have an SL-1200 Technics & love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennie Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 You have to ask Travis (DWI Lawyer). He knows exactly what should be in the dead wax of every 1st pressing classic rock LP ever released. Other than that, I just assume it's close enough to sound like a first pressing if it looks right. Warner has to be green label, usually with the W7 in orange. The 2 and 6 eyes are easy enough. BTW - Anything with a wrapper that says First Pressing HAS to be a fake! I hate Fakes!!! I stand corrected Dennie! My bad. I thought you were talking about a 60s or 70s pressing. Next time I might actually read the thread carefully before making stupid comments. No problem Gary, it still makes me wonder how we know it is a first pressing, after the wrapper (with Sticker) is removed. I guess from reading Canyonman's comments, there is something in the "deadwax". Maybe I could pull out my "price guide" and see if it makes any refereance to first pressings. Dennie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Dennie, That LP is so new that I highly doubt a second pressing even exists. Unless they sell out very quickly, there may never be one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 I find it amusing that we covet this vinyl so much yet all of it was originally cut on the "audiophile" scourge known as the Direct-Drive Turntable. Apparently, according to the cogniscenti, it's good enough to make a record on but not good enough to play one back! Caveat - I have an SL-1200 Technics & love it. OMG! Pressed on DD AND played on DD!! How can you even hear the music with all that wow and flutter!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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