quadklipsh Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 hi there iv been trying around almost every option here but i seem to be missing some real room filling bass from the rf3s , as i hv noticed them to be brighter than my tastes perhaps ! its a fact that klipsch hv been clearer and louder and deliver more of the whole frequency range than my other collections however i have to admit i am missing some real visceral lows that some equal sized speakers tend to deliver me is it my room acoustics so bad or is it really the speakers i was very happy with my bookshelves celestion 9 which hv a soft dome tweeter and a very engaging sound klipsch is superior in imaging ,power and dynamics but not as pleasing in music my room is 16 by 15 feet with a false ceiling at about 8 feet and im using a vintage 45 watts quad 303 pre power amp and sony x33 cd player the room has a 8 by 8 ft bed ,some rest is rugs its a hard floor vinyl treated room a huge 10 by 6 ft glass window with blinds on ,it is facing the speakers can anyone comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ69 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Play around with placement. You should be about 2 feet out from the back wall. Also check your phasing. Thanx, Russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockOn4Klipsch Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 if you want more bass maybe try moving them closer to the walls. that may have been the difference with the way you were using your bookshelves, they were closer to a boundary that helped emphasize the lower register. By moving them closer to a bounday you may loose some detail, thats personal preference. I have my RF 7's 23 inches from the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube fanatic Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Your listening position is just as critical as the speaker placement. If you are listening far from the rear wall of the room, the bass response will be greatly reduced. If possible, try moving back toward the rear wall. Sometimes a few inches can make a huge difference! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylanl Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Don't expect deep bass from the RF3's. I don't even really feel they should be consider in the reference line. I had a pair and got rid of them quickly feeling as you do. If you plan on keeping them get a good sub. They were way to bright for my tastes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artto Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I guess it depends on your definition of "visceral lows". Some of what you might be hearing with other speakers is actually harmonic distortion. Real clean bass can often sound almost as if its not there. The apparent bass can be affected by the room, which in turn is also affected by speaker placement, which is also in turn affected by your listening location. Try moving both the speakers and listening position. I often move my listening position forward or backward (closer to the back wall = more bass). Sometimes this also depends on the recording as well as associated equipment. Your room is rather square. And the ceiling height is also 1/2 of the WxL dimensions. In a room where all the dimensions are the same (cubic) (you are almost there) you will have areas where the bass is very robust, and other areas where it cancelled ~ bass notes that are supposed to be there are cancelled and disappear. The best way of controlling this is by avoiding it in the first place by having a room with non-parallel surfaces, convex curved surfaces, and proper room proportions such as a ratio of 1:1.26:1.59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadklipsh Posted March 3, 2010 Author Share Posted March 3, 2010 thanks artto i really appreciate it now im gonna mess around with the placement though its very disgusting to hear not to expect that rfs are not reference level speakers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Do you have a sub with these? If not forget it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styx Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 I run a pair of RF-3's in a 17'x18' room with no complaints for a lack of bass. This wasn't always so.....when I first got the RF-3's I was using a low wattage amp that didn't do the 3's justice and was force to add a sub to supplement the bottom end. I recently purchase a HK 3490 receiver and hello bass. The HK 3490 is good solid receiver with some decent power and nice features that definitely fit the bill in my situation (2.1 setup). I still have the sub hooked up but mainly use it for movies. The 3's are bright for sure but I think with the right/more powerful amp and placing them closer to the wall, your RF-3's can still "Git-ur-done". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNRabbit Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Pull your woofers & verify that they are wired in phase; I've had TWO pair of Klipsch speakers show up from the factory internally wired incorrectly (KLF-10s & RF-83s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadklipsh Posted March 5, 2010 Author Share Posted March 5, 2010 as u see from my system , i am currently using quad 303 ,wch is 45 watts a channel but its sonic character outweighs those of 100 watters but still rumble is lacking like it does with some jbls !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadklipsh Posted March 5, 2010 Author Share Posted March 5, 2010 nups i dont hv a sub and neither want one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Bum Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 So has changing placement restored the bass? (I just got my first pair of Klipsch, and I have never had a speaker that was so fussy about placement to get bass response. I almost returned them, but when I finally tried the corner thing it was all there. And it wasn't boomy, a pleasant surprise, but dry and tight. I'm using way less power than your quad, too, so definitely give it a try. The only other speaker I've owned that was this dependant on proximity to room boundaries was an M&K sub.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadklipsh Posted March 9, 2010 Author Share Posted March 9, 2010 ski bum im glad someone has similar issues here lolz im now placing my speakers out in the living room wch is about 18x17 with high roof so far that sound has not emerged wch i have always dreamed from a speaker a sweet mellowy rounded and detailed one with a velvety highs and engaging lows im using a stupid amplifier out here for the living room its a sony TA-AV 570 PROLOGIC (wch throws 80 watts stereo ways) the cabling and interconnects all have been junk here my main focus was in my bedroom where i keep my goodies(good cables,better amp,quad i mean and better cd player) and yes dear im not playing great sources here too the klipsch are now suffering from mp3 playback,lolz that sure adds insult to injury u hv been right as bass does increase in corners ,but iv moved out of that as it compromises the sound the low notes muffle the delicacies and eat up the detail too im going to get a marantz 2230 vintage from the market lets see wot it does heard a few people good reviews on that old prince lolz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWL Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 im going to get a marantz 2230 vintage from the marketIf it is restored I think you will like it. A very musical, rich sounding receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadklipsh Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 swl have u used it dear let me know if u hv why do u think i shudnt be getting a newer amp is the vintage 2230 far warmer than any of the equally priced newer marantzees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadklipsh Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 i changed positions keeping the RF3s 1.5 feet away from the rear walls the bass responce gets visceral as i go downstairs ,lolz, i mean mid ways down the stairs(the speakers are in the upper living room) but u know thats terrible,as i cant sit there to have the bass of my liking and no highs nor imaging as i wud be sitting way out of axis , and in the stairs too,lolz i figure klipsch are not meant to sound visceral ,they have a live taste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadklipsh Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 yes but ,lolz its visceral as i walk mid way downstairs ,aah[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 I searched and found that you haven't liked the RF-3s since you got them and suggest you upgrade....Fwiw, the RF-3s are good Mains as long as you have a subwoofer take up the lower end. That being said, they don't compare to the RF-7 but are excellent side surround speakers. [Y] EDIT: i figure klipsch are not meant to sound visceral ,they have a live taste Fwiw, the Klipsch Home Theater I have listed in my Signature sounds both Live and Visceral! [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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