BLOOMIS914 Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 As a diehard Klipsch fan, I have become very disappointed at the tolerance/patience/latitude being given to the multiple threads on this BB/forum that involve personal attacks on each other. Understanding that a good joke or lighthearted fun is healthy for all, threads dedicated to slamming/flaming each other are way over the line. I challenge the webmaster to immediately ban those few members directly involved, not the casual onlookers. If this is what the Klipsch board is going to become then loyal Klipsch fans, such as myself will bail.......I know, so what you say, but I am surely not alone........ I am a big fan of our constitution and our rights (especially the 1st amendment) and I believe in the basic principles....BUT I am not a left-wing liberal, drape myself in the flag and criticize my country while burning the flag type of guy.....I'm more of the Rush Limbaugh right wing conservative....better yet, compassionate conservative like our President George W. Bush. I am extremely intolerant of three things: 1) Adults (I think) behaving like ignorant fools. and 2) Tolerance for the above. and 3) Klipsch just ignoring this nonsense and "locking the threads".....talk about burying your head in the sand...WAKE UP Klipsch!! If you tolerate ignorance and just allow the 1%ers' to run the boards, that's exactly the caliber of subject matter we will all have to deal with. On the other hand, my proposal is, one warning and the 2nd time you are gone. If it doesn't change you can count me out and I'll stick with the AVSFORUM and the HTFORUM where that crap doesn't fly for a minute. Of course, this is just my opinion and your intelligent remarks/responses are welcome. ------------------ My system(s): Great Room--- KLF-30's Bi-wired KLF-C7 KSP-S6's Monster cable 14 gauge in-wall cable Audioquest interconnects Niles SPS-4 speaker switch box Niles wall plates Niles in-wall volume controls Marantz SR-8000 Toshiba SD-4205 5 DVD changer Pioneer PDF-1007 301-CD changer Mitsubishi 35" TV Mitsubishi VCR Pioneer VSX-608 Multi-room amp for Outdoor deck Polk All-weather AW2's deck speakers Panamax DBS-8 Surge Protector Master Bath--- Klipsch IC-525's in Master Bath 13" Sony Wega in Master Bath Niles Wall volume control in M/Bath Basement HT----- SE-13HD LCD Projector Da-Lite 52" x 92" High contrast screen Chorus II Mains KLF-C7 Center KSP-S6 Surrounds KSW-15 Front sub KSW-100 Rear sub Pioneer VSX-810 DD/DTS-ES receiver JVC-XV-FA90BK 7 Disc progressive DVD Panamax MAX1000 Surge protector/line conditoner Comcast Digital Cable Philips S-VHS VR-1010 1 Lava Lamp for Ambience Fridge full of beer and plenty of Don Julio, Jagermeister and Jim Beam This message has been edited by BLOOMIS914 on 06-05-2002 at 09:36 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 What I don't like: endless signature files... cheer up, it's summer, go outside, get a breath of fresh air, you'll feel better. ------------------ http://members.fortunecity.com/sebdavid - go laugh at my crappy website/equipment http://www.dvdprofiler.com/mc.asp?alias=Sebdavid - go laugh at my puny little DVD collection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2K Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Tolerance is good! I think the Webmaster and Moderators have shown much wisdom in allowing some of the personality conflicts here to burn themselves out. Although I confess that I too have recently participated in some unsightly threads here, in my own defense I will offer that my remarks came after anothers repeated provocations. I'll try to do better. Let us all try to treat our Klipsch family here with the same respect,understanding, and tolerance that we offer to our family members at home. Life is full of disappointments. Don't let them get you down! Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 It is not quite summer in Michigan as yet. Some of the personal stuff I have not been following lately. I have had problems with my phone comany of late and so now i am into cable modem. I have made comments against rude and inconsiderate posters on this site and named them by name when necessary. Name the people you do not like the attitude of and eloquently challenge them to improve their character. we can improve the site ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Not that it's approporate here in the klipsch forum, but a gaming forum I hang out in has a smack talk section just for people who want to flame each other. It's never been been used as an all out caustic attack on each other, but rather good fun. ------------------ m00nsCinema to be the m00n system FRONTS: RF-7 CENTER: RC-7 SURROUNDS: RS-7 SUB: RSW-12 RECEIVER: Harman Kardon AVR 520 DVD: Toshiba SD 3205 (DD, DTS) TV: Samsung 27" Flatscreen COMPUTER: ProMedia 4.1 c>Microsoft XBOXc> f> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_tx_16 Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 There are two types of censorship, the good and the bad. by the way, these are my opinons 1. The bad I say that the new Polk Audio towers compete and beat the RF-3II in price and performace... then that is taken offline, censored by Klipsch 2. The good I say, go to *beep* you *beep*! You and your *beep*'ing *beep* need to *beep* your selves out of here, is censored by Klipsch in that the post is deleted with explaination why, and the member given three strikes and he is out, no more chances. Yeah, in America we have the right to speak freely, but not in an Airport. I can not say, geeze, i wish that plane would crash so that I could stay here a little longer. I would be put into the back room and flogged. I can not be at the Presidential Inaguration and say, I hate this president, the jerk is an idiot and should be killed right here, right now... once again, a flogging would occur. At school, if I say "I wish this school would just blow up" or "I could kill him I am so mad!". This kind of speaking is not considered your freedom, it risks the life and well being of others. It is a free country, so exceptions apply. The same goes for this board. On the internet we can not really hurt each other psudeo physically, only with words. But that brings down the bar. Words become more powerful, as in the examples above. In other words, I am very strongly for the censoring (within a happy medium (3/4 majority would suffice)) of posts and the banning of members when need be. Such examples come from three and now possibly four threads in this forum, and just a few months ago, the thread over a simple non racial/religious/sexist/gory/etc joke that started a mass flaming of the highes regarded Klipsch posters. What good do these flaming posts do? They get people mad, and that helps in what way? I do not know how many times I have had to say this, but this forum was made to give and get help. Not to attack people, mock or poke fun at a person, flame, have racial/sexist/religious/etc remarks, etc. In the ProMedia forums, where I spend most of my time, the flaming and attacks are limited to a very small number. The ProMedia forum I would say consists of 90% <18 year old guys, including myself. Some how we manage to get around fighting. I know of only one person who was banned from the ProMedia forum, he was a troll who posted kiddie and elderly porn. He was rightfully banned. There have been other trolls but they were driven away without the violence seen in the threads in the Home Audio forum. You often compare the flamers and 'immature' posters as teenagers. I take this as in offense. Why is there the stereotype that teenagers can not be responcible leaders who are mature? Many of my friends are more mature than their parents. Age means little to maturity, and comparing a person posting kiddie porn to a 16 year old is just not right. I have seen more maturity in the 'teenager' forums here than in the 'adult' forums. This is actually a promising thing, maybe my generation wil be able to improve on what you (by you I mean the ones attacking and doing wrong) have set for us are role models. Call me crazy but these are my thoughts. Please excuse my spellings, no contacts in and my mind is wandering to other more important things, like whether to put my new mouse pad landscape or portrait style on the keyboard tray But in all seriousness, what good do these attacks do? ------------------ -justin SoundWise Support A technical help site created by me and my fellow Klipschers I am an amateur, if it is professional; ProMedia help you want email Amy or call her @ 1-888-554-5665 or for an RA# 800-554-7724 ext 5 Klipsch Home Audio help you want, email support@klipsch.com or call @ 1-800-KLIPSCH RA# Fax Number=317-860-9140 / Parts Department Fax Number=317-860-9150s> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cornell Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 I speak kinda freely, sometimes to the point of argue, i hope it wasnt me, like on the heritage topic, if so i appologize! Also ive seen hear lately, a bit of bashing, i just keep out of it! NUETRAL Apposing in what gear to kick it into! Regards Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornEd Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 Thanks for speaking up, BLOOMIS914, the clear uniqueness of this Forum is a reflection both of the manufacturer who makes it possible and the Forum members who strive to keep it both enlightening and civil. And, thanks to Audio Flynn for reminding us to step up proactively when things appear to be getting out of hand. Indeed, we can do a better job of moderating ourselves... and have... for that is how this Forum earned its reputation. And, Justin_tx_16+, outside of some aversion to spelling checkers (not necessarily age related), you can rest assured that a consensus of long time posters on this Forum would NOT assume that the majority of over-the-top flamers were teenagers. I think you (and the teens who have aggregately not posted as much as you ) have set a fine example in the Klipsch ProMedia threads. And, perhaps, some of us "post teen" posters have at least given teenagers a sense of caution about whom they chose as role models. Obviously, I agree that this should be a friendly board where ideas can be exchanged and examined... and if differences occur, as they are sure to, and if such differences cannot be resolved through friendly dialogue, a friendly agreement to disagree should end the confrontation. It seems there are those who prefer to haunt the Forum for posts contrary to their opinion, whether valid or not, and again pounce, with vitriol, upon those whose opinion they have previously attacked. Surely, the audio aspect of better living is one that is not tied to one format for all listening areas and the ears of every person. I do not think that presenting sound alternatives to a questioning newbie is grounds for opening a personalized attack. Of course, having someone present a view in the alternative is what democracy is all about. To some degree, out of duress, I have responded more in kind than usual... and it clearly has not been as beneficial to bringing mutual respect, enlightenment or worthiness to this Forum. A little "good natured ribbing" should be a welcome part of the camaraderie that exists on this Forum... but it should not progress to the point of a continuing onslaught of "rhetoric-over-reason" that has found its way into many threads lately... even those to which I have not been a part. It is sometimes difficult to withdraw from threads that sink below where they might have been... for often times comments are received on the thread, by private email or phone that the spirited dialogue created interest and investigation that brought new understanding to a goodly few Forum members... and that is some measure of good. But, clearly, when generally accepted principles of acoustics and psychoacoustics within this industry are blithely tossed aside except as objects for further ridicule... something has to be done. For even if the proponents of the controversy know better, this is a public Forum and, as such, is monitored by others who may not understand and, thus, be dealt the disservice of being misinformed. Yet, to advocate some Klipsch-based alternatives as a better solution for those with adequate resources, room size and interest in audio fidelity has been the source for constant harassment and has led to "taste" issues, by all concerned, that are less than ideal for this Forum. It should be noted that despite the "infamous yellow button in his pocket", the late PWK is remembered by the folks who knew him as being tolerant in listening to another person's honest opinion. He did indeed praise other people's speaker designs as he found them merit worthy. The "yellow button" was either used in obvious jest... or when rhetoric overcame reason... in PWK's considered opinion. And so, in that sense, the forbearance of Klipsch Minions of this Forum has a precedent of tolerance that allows us Forum Members the opportunity to rise above our collective failings and raise the level of our individual contributions. I appreciate your valid concern, BLOOMIS, and your reference, Keith, that led me here from the "killing fields" of another thread. Therefore, despite my many imperfections, I shall endeavor to follow PWK's lead and advance my honest and considered opinions, answer questions that I deem sincere, and attempt to keep within the bounds of good natured camaraderie... and post an orderly disengagement from dialogues that appear beyond socially or educationally redeeming value IMHO. -HornED PS: Please note that this post is an altered version of a stand taken in an HT thread of apparently diminishing Forum value. ------------------ This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-06-2002 at 10:58 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25f>s>SuperAmpf>s> - Sonic Frontiers Line 1 - Sony DVP-S9000ES - Klipsch RF7's SVS 20-39 CS Plus - Samson S1000 - HSU Research elec. crossover - MIT/Monsters f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>c>s>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchist Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 Perhaps the lines were crossed and perhaps some people take those lines too seriously; I tend to take provocations in jest and respond in kind. I certainly do not make them 'personally.' None-the-less, I have removed any 'pokes', 'jabs', 'counter-punches', etc. from my posts in the thread that led me here (Thanks Keith) and will not be drawn into any more 'battles' over the merits of one speaker approach vs. another. Game over. I'm done. To each his own. ------------------ Home Theater KSP 400's KSP C6 KSP S6's Yamaha RXV995 (Current) Bryston 9BST (On the horizon) Bryston SP1.7 (A little further on the horizon) Music Room Heresy's KG4's KSW200 Ella PP EL-34 (Coming soon) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_tx_16 Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 And They All Lived Happily Every After ------------------ -justin SoundWise Support A technical help site created by me and my fellow Klipschers I am an amateur, if it is professional; ProMedia help you want email Amy or call her @ 1-888-554-5665 or for an RA# 800-554-7724 ext 5 Klipsch Home Audio help you want, email support@klipsch.com or call @ 1-800-KLIPSCH RA# Fax Number=317-860-9140 / Parts Department Fax Number=317-860-9150s> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluless Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 OHHHH NOOO, It's the attack of the killer pooh bears!!! I'm probably gonna have nightbears for weeks. I'm just glad you didn't have a flock of holiday piglets laying around, that would really be more than i could bear. (That last pun wasn't intentional, but it stays.) This message has been edited by cluless on 06-06-2002 at 12:46 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BobG Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 This is a much better resolution than editing by myself or any of us who maintain this board. We don't want to be the board police. We do encourage all of you to remind people when they are out of line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikekid Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 Absolutely BobG... Tin ear! Take care Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_tx_16 Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 oops This message has been edited by justin_tx_16 on 06-06-2002 at 07:11 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLOOMIS914 Posted June 6, 2002 Author Share Posted June 6, 2002 Excellent responses by all, I do agree that we, the majority, can police this board by constructive "pressure". I feel much better now.... Seb, check out my new signature line!! I can dish it out and take it too!!!!! Now I just need to add a link for my equipment page to share my Klipsch collection. Thanks. Justin, don't be defensive, immaturity transcends all age groups....If I read the entire thread properly noone singled out younger folks, in fact I like reading your posts.....All 7,000 of them!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now back to our regularly scheduled forum..... ------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluless Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 I think what we have here is the equivalent of "safe signature" here. Thanks! It really helps those of us that aren't up to specs on the on the home internet interconnect. The constant loading of new pages due to overlong signatures, or un-necessary "snippets"- cut and paste quotes- (often on the immediately following post) really slows things down. And I'm sure that y'all are waiting on bated breath for my latest insight into ....."FURBALLS - How they can be used as an effective damping material in speaker enclosures"...Soon to be followed by "Effective use of Furballs as 00000000000000 steel wool" (Awaiting technical assistance by HDRBuilder).. This message has been edited by cluless on 06-06-2002 at 08:56 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_tx_16 Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 quote: Originally posted by BLOOMIS914: Justin, don't be defensive don't be defensive? don't be defensive! How could i NOT BE DEFENSIVE?!?!?!?!?! haha, just josh'in with you ------------------ -justin SoundWise Support A technical help site created by me and my fellow Klipschers I am an amateur, if it is professional; ProMedia help you want email Amy or call her @ 1-888-554-5665 or for an RA# 800-554-7724 ext 5 Klipsch Home Audio help you want, email support@klipsch.com or call @ 1-800-KLIPSCH RA# Fax Number=317-860-9140 / Parts Department Fax Number=317-860-9150s> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 Justin, it scares me to see you have those dolls... ------------------ Receiver: Sony STR-DE675 CD player: Sony CDP-CX300 Turntable: Technics SL-J3 with Audio-Technica TR485U Speakers: JBL HLS-610 Subwoofer: JBL 4648A-8 Sub amp: Parts Express 180 watt Center/surrounds: Teac 3-way bookshelfs Yes, it sucks, but better to come. KLIPSCH soon! My computer is better than my stereo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew2 Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 Who said the polk towers are better then the RF3II's??? I just baught them and heard the new polk towers...lol they must be def' ------------------ Matthew Klipsch Rocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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