Heritage_Head Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) New avr power is good imo (unless its some cheap 200ish unit). The main problem with them for 2ch is in the set up. If someone runs a auto set up and uses that to run 2ch music it will sound imo pretty bad.Whats good for movies is not that great for 2ch. If you run pure direct then its no EQ and imo thats not that great unless you have a perfect room and speakers. IMO an EQ is a must for 2ch music. I know some will argue that but i need to tune it to what my ears like. And its never no eq. Just a little bump or dip here and their to get it right. Even back when i had all old silver kenwood amps and integrated amps i still needed a EQ to get it to sound really good. The bass, treble, and loudness switch/nobs just wasn't enough for my taste. Edited December 30, 2013 by reference_head 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeydeal Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Great, thanks Bill. I've been looking to maybe get a different pre for my 2 channel rig, and something that also has a remote =PI started with a B&K pre for my 2ch. But it has no EQ so i got a emotiva umc-1. I like my B&K amp over the emo amp But the umc has a nice EQ and sounds a lot better than the B&K. The best part it cost me around 250 used on ebay. I was shocked how good it sounds. Really impressive. EQ is a band aid for people too lazy to put together a system that gets it right on it's own. It can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage_Head Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I guess I'm to lazy then lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage_Head Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Don't tell me your one of those guys. My way or no way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage_Head Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) Great, thanks Bill. I've been looking to maybe get a different pre for my 2 channel rig, and something that also has a remote =PI started with a B&K pre for my 2ch. But it has no EQ so i got a emotiva umc-1. I like my B&K amp over the emo amp But the umc has a nice EQ and sounds a lot better than the B&K. The best part it cost me around 250 used on ebay. I was shocked how good it sounds. Really impressive. EQ is a band aid for people too lazy to put together a system that gets it right on it's own. It can be done. And thats a pretty rude statement by the way. Not cool Edited December 30, 2013 by reference_head 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) EQ in needed in all rooms with a multichannel HT unless the room is acoustic perfect for the setup. There are few HT that meet that citeria. Edited December 30, 2013 by derrickdj1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeydeal Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 If dino stomps and car crashes are your thing, eq til your heart is content. If music reproduction is your bag, not so much. Shakey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 EQ is a band aid for people too lazy to put together a system that gets it right on it's own. It can be done. Come on Shakey, that is a little presumptuous don't you think? But you are correct with "it can be done". A good source, with good amplification, driving good speakers, in a good room, will get it right. Bill 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quakana Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I dont agree with the whole "EQ" is for lazy people thing or the fact that an audiofile setup have no bass and treble control and I for sure am not going to put things on my walls and ceilings to get the sound correct for sure....not to mention all recordings are different so how can you not use at the very least a bass and treble control? guess Im lazy too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage_Head Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) I dont agree with the whole "EQ" is for lazy people thing or the fact that an audiofile setup have no bass and treble control and I for sure am not going to put things on my walls and ceilings to get the sound correct for sure....not to mention all recordings are different so how can you not use at the very least a bass and treble control? guess Im lazy too Some people are stubborn and don't care. Its only their way case closed. And thats fine but geez no reason to call people lazy just because they use eq. My cornwalls sound way better eq then no eq. I mean they eq when they record. They eq when they play live shows.They eq their instruments. Why would it all of a sudden stop in someone home lol. If the steak tastes better to you with steak sauce use it lol Edited December 30, 2013 by reference_head 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TasDom Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I dont agree with the whole "EQ" is for lazy people thing or the fact that an audiofile setup have no bass and treble control and I for sure am not going to put things on my walls and ceilings to get the sound correct for sure....not to mention all recordings are different so how can you not use at the very least a bass and treble control? guess Im lazy too Some people are stubborn and don't care. Its only their way case closed. And thats fine but geez no reason to call people lazy just because they don't use it. My cornwalls sound way better eq then no eq. I mean they eq when they record. They eq when they play live shows.They eq their instruments. Why would it all of a sudden stop in someone home lol. If the steak tastes better to you with steak sauce use it lol +A1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeydeal Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 EQ is a band aid for people too lazy to put together a system that gets it right on it's own. It can be done. Come on Shakey, that is a little presumptuous don't you think? But you are correct with "it can be done". A good source, with good amplification, driving good speakers, in a good room, will get it right. Bill Exactly, it can be done. Shakey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage_Head Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 EQ is a band aid for people too lazy to put together a system that gets it right on it's own. It can be done. Come on Shakey, that is a little presumptuous don't you think? But you are correct with "it can be done". A good source, with good amplification, driving good speakers, in a good room, will get it right. Bill Exactly, it can be done. Shakey So whats your point? That don't mean it can't sound better with an eq. In fact i would bet that your system could be tweaked with an EQ to improve its sound and measurements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quakana Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) I dont agree with the whole "EQ" is for lazy people thing or the fact that an audiofile setup have no bass and treble control and I for sure am not going to put things on my walls and ceilings to get the sound correct for sure....not to mention all recordings are different so how can you not use at the very least a bass and treble control? guess Im lazy too Some people are stubborn and don't care. Its only their way case closed. And thats fine but geez no reason to call people lazy just because they don't use it. My cornwalls sound way better eq then no eq. I mean they eq when they record. They eq when they play live shows.They eq their instruments. Why would it all of a sudden stop in someone home lol. If the steak tastes better to you with steak sauce use it lol WHOA WHOA WAIT....you cannot put steak sauce on a steak that is just wrong!! can ya sense the sarcasm.....lol....I am a guitar player and I have very high end tube amps and they all have tone controls on them.....3 actually.....high low and mid.....so I am not buying this ya can get it right stuff but to each his own...matter of fact the BEST mesa boogie amps have EQ's on them Edited December 30, 2013 by quakana 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 WHOA WHOA WAIT....you cannot put steak sauce on a steak that is just wrong!! Just not on a good steak. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeydeal Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 EQ is a band aid for people too lazy to put together a system that gets it right on it's own. It can be done. Come on Shakey, that is a little presumptuous don't you think? But you are correct with "it can be done". A good source, with good amplification, driving good speakers, in a good room, will get it right. Do what you like. Less electronics in the chain, the better. But that's just me. This is coming from a two channel, tube lovin, vinyl clinging fanatic. I know I am in the minority on this forum. Shakey Bill Exactly, it can be done. Shakey So whats your point? That don't mean it can't sound better with an eq. In fact i would bet that your system could be tweaked with an EQ to improve its sound and measurements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage_Head Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Im also a guitar player and everyone in the band eq something. Even the drummer eq his kicks. Eq is part of music even if you don't do it with nobs your amps and pre are doing it. If you use tube amps your eq the sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage_Head Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) WHOA WHOA WAIT....you cannot put steak sauce on a steak that is just wrong!! Just not on a good steak. Bill Lol i personally don't use it. I love steak as is. But if it tasted better with it i would use it Edited December 30, 2013 by reference_head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage_Head Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I dont agree with the whole "EQ" is for lazy people thing or the fact that an audiofile setup have no bass and treble control and I for sure am not going to put things on my walls and ceilings to get the sound correct for sure....not to mention all recordings are different so how can you not use at the very least a bass and treble control? guess Im lazy too Some people are stubborn and don't care. Its only their way case closed. And thats fine but geez no reason to call people lazy just because they don't use it. My cornwalls sound way better eq then no eq. I mean they eq when they record. They eq when they play live shows.They eq their instruments. Why would it all of a sudden stop in someone home lol. If the steak tastes better to you with steak sauce use it lol +A1 Lol tasdom your one of the funniest dudes i know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Why even consider stereo receivers if music is important. You could do much better with a good integrated or separates later on. Receivers are for the Best Buy crowd, be better than that. Shakey hmmm more disrespectful bs to anyone on this forum who owns a receiver. I own a lot of stuff including receivers none of it is from best buy. I think you need to learn a little common courtesy there shakey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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