Deang Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I guess I should have said first time used on a recording. Zeppelin's whole first album was just covers, and Page can't bend a string without looking like he's passing a kidney stone. Plant can barely sing, I mean, the real kind of singing where the person has a voice of some sort. So why do these guys get a pass - and it's not like they started some kind of cultural revolution or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 No Dean. Not on a recording. On a recording by a rock band. That's where they were first. AS a rock band. Others recorded it before them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I like that attitude Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebes Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 But in the cold light of day, there was so much more out there that were far, far better. Marty, Name an album or two that were better at the time than Sgt. Pepper. Better works of creativity. Gack! Talk about insipid music. The whole albums one insipid pop hook after another. Let's have an honest example of how crude the Beatles were. 1964. I want to hold your hand. 1964 John Coltrane, "A Love Supreme" And Dean, quite referring to the Beatles as a rock band. They were a pop band. Period. And Johnny Guitar Watson is one of the greatest players of the age. Right up there with Django Reinhardt. The Beatles earned billions while poor Johnny was forced to drive around in a plywood Cadillac. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 The popularity and far reach of the Beatles was documented on the PBS special regarding the downfall of the Soviet Union of which they did have a possible unknowing part in. JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshnich Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Cannot argue with that list. Content and rank order. Interesting side note. The inspiration for SP ( according to many reports) was the 1966 masterpiece by Brian Wilson : Pet Sounds. Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Now Dean, it's a real stretch to call the Beatles a rock band, they were nothing but pop, although I'll grant they did try to stretch their limited talents a few times in their later efforts. However, compare their stuff in 1964 etc. to what else was available at that time and there is no comparison. I was countering this by pointing out that they were the first to use feedback in a recording. This is a technique specific to Rock and Blues, not Pop. Good Rock has a lot of hooks and ear worms, and the only other band that comes close is Deep Purple. "Although many bands have claimed the distinction, "I Feel Fine" was the first recorded song to feature guitar feedback. While recording, Lennon accidentally left his guitar (actually an acoustic Gibson with an electric P-90 pickup) too close to his Vox AC30 amp, producing an interesting whine in tune with the riff's opening note (A). Lennon worked during the ensuing takes to replicate the effect, which in the final version is actually produced by Paul's bass resonating an octave higher in John's pickup." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) Watson's ferocious "Space Guitar" album of 1954 pioneered guitar feedback and reverb. Edited February 13, 2014 by oldtimer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 That's cool, but you're still missing the point of why I made the comment -- "Pop" bands don't use feedback, utilize key changes, cram their songs with licks and riffs, and in general -- aren't very strong in lyrical content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Yeah I know Dean. I didn't miss the point. It doesn't hurt to expand peoples' horizons though. Some Beatles lyrics are really good, and a lot of others are self admittedly by them as nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Sure, I can agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshnich Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Could Brian Wilson answer all that firepower? No way! Cannot really think of any one who could or can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I haven't done this in years, but last night I listened to the cycle of Rubber Soul---Revolver---Sgt Pepper. I've never done that. I shall have to try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max2 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I was born in the 60's and for the life of me, I cant take extended periods of listening to the Beatles. There is just a handful of their material that I really enjoy. Maybe its that repetitive jangly, shrill guitar. Maybe the nasal sound of them singing in unison. I have tons of respect for them, but give me a George Harrison or Wings album and my rash will go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxx Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Could Brian Wilson answer all that firepower? No way! Cannot really think of any one who could or can. I'm not saying that they were the greatest, but the duo of Jagger & Richards, raised the bar for many years. They had some fire power at one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Remember when Jagger did an impersonation of Richards on SNL? Classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxx Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 But their range musically is less broad and not as inventive, challenging, or inquisitive. Without a doubt I agree with this statement. I think that L/M songs have held up much better over the years and still have much "staying power." J/R compositions, although in most cases are excellent, seem to have not advanced as well as time passes. The Beatle money making machine is still a dominating force in the music industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I haven't done this in years, but last night I listened to the cycle of Rubber Soul---Revolver---Sgt Pepper. I've never done that. I shall have to try it. Never done a cycle like that but have heard them all repeatedly. Pour yourself a drink and buckle your seat belt. You're in for a treat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 But their range musically is less broad and not as inventive, challenging, or inquisitive.Without a doubt I agree with this statement. I think that L/M songs have held up much better over the years and still have much "staying power." J/R compositions, although in most cases are excellent, seem to have not advanced as well as time passes. The Beatle money making machine is still a dominating force in the music industry. It seems like the Rolling Stones can't make any money with their latest recordings. A Bigger Bang is a pretty good CD, but it got no play on the classic rock stations that play all the old Stones music, and it got no play on the modern rock stations either. I was a bit surprised and disappointed at the lack of respect for the actual musicians, who are playing today. Their body of work won't have a cut-off point as long as they keep creating new music, but some radio stations seem to think the Stones are retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebes Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) I haven't done this in years, but last night I listened to the cycle of Rubber Soul---Revolver---Sgt Pepper. I've never done that. I shall have to try it. I can't do it because I gave away all my Beatles albums years ago to a ***** shooting club. Note(for some reason the forum sotfware won't let me spell out the word to the type of club where they shoot clay pigeons. Wierd.) There's only one true comparison to The Beatles and another band of similar talent. I herewith give you this group via a link to their most famous song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHCcA1pG35I&feature=kp Edited February 13, 2014 by thebes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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