fuzzydog Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Guys, I'm hoping to replace my little Marantz receiver with separates from either Emotiva or Outlaw Audio. I'm looking for your opinions on whether I should get the: Emotiva UMC-200 processer with a UPA-700 amp (7x80 watts) or the: Outlaw 975 processor with a 7075 amp (7x75 watts) My system is eventually going to move upstairs when we finish off the bonus room/home theater which will measure about 20'x20'x9' in size. I'm going to add surround (RS62ii's) and rear (RS81ii's) speakers at that time. Will I need more juice than 75-80 watts? I want to do this right this time so I only have to upgrade once. Thanks in advance for your advice. If all other things are equal i'll probably get the Outlaw combo since the amp is made in America. God bless and Merry Christmas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason str Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Buy American Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sully141 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Isn't outlaw having a flash sale this weekend. A 975 paired with a 7125(7x125) free shipping for $1298. I got the email on Friday, They've had 3 flash sales of different item so far.. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrod Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I actually run the UMC with an older model Outlaw amp. I've only had the UMC for a couple weeks, but I really like it. Nice, open soundstage, and it's as simple or complex as you want it to be! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 My system is eventually going to move upstairs when we finish off the bonus room/home theater which will measure about 20'x20'x9' in size. I'm going to add surround (RS62ii's) and rear (RS81ii's) speakers at that time. Will I need more juice than 75-80 watts? I want to do this right this time so I only have to upgrade once. With a full RF-7II setup, I would give it more power. If I were you, I would buy a refurbished near flagship receiver and get a higher powered(125w/ch++) 5-channel amp. Something like this. http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXNR1010/ONKYO-TX-NR1010-7.2-Ch-THX-Certified-Network-A/V-Receiver/1.html with this https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/147053-fs-nad-925-thx-125-x-5-price-reduced-50000/ or this very well priced beast. http://app.audiogon.com/listings/multi-ch-b-k-7250-series2-2013-12-21-amplifiers-70764 Maybe more $$$ than you want to spend but I think you may get power envy if you "settle" for 75w/ch. Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Isn't outlaw having a flash sale this weekend. A 975 paired with a 7125(7x125) free shipping for $1298. I got the email on Friday, They've had 3 flash sales of different item so far.. Good luck. A very nice deal indeed. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TasDom Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 My system is eventually going to move upstairs when we finish off the bonus room/home theater which will measure about 20'x20'x9' in size. I'm going to add surround (RS62ii's) and rear (RS81ii's) speakers at that time. Will I need more juice than 75-80 watts? I want to do this right this time so I only have to upgrade once. With a full RF-7II setup, I would give it more power. If I were you, I would buy a refurbished near flagship receiver and get a higher powered(125w/ch++) 5-channel amp. Something like this. or this very well priced beast. http://app.audiogon.com/listings/multi-ch-b-k-7250-series2-2013-12-21-amplifiers-70764 Maybe more $$$ than you want to spend but I think you may get power envy if you "settle" for 75w/ch. Bill Great price for the B&K 7250 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodrewken Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I've been very happy with my Emotiva amp. The build quality is excellent, and the customer service has always been very helpful. From what I've heard Outlaw also makes fine amps. So I don't think you could wrong either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzydog Posted December 22, 2013 Author Share Posted December 22, 2013 Thanks for all the replies. The Outlaw 975 w/ 7125 amp deal is very tempting! I'd prefer not to use an AVR for the processor due to how much space they require vs. a dedicated processor and the aesthetic mismatch if the amp was a different brand. The Onkyo TX NR-1010 receiver linked above is about 8" tall while the Outlaw 975 processor is only about 3" tall. It would be nice however to make the switch to separates in two steps…buy the nice AVR now and then add an amp later… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 20x20. I've read square rooms are the worst for home theaters. Can be very hard to get the bass right in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TasDom Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I've been very happy with my Emotiva amp. The build quality is excellent, and the customer service has always been very helpful. From what I've heard Outlaw also makes fine amps. So I don't think you could wrong either way. Same here, both of my XPA-5's have worked flawlessly and no noise, hum or hiss as others have experienced. Outlaw has a good reputation and makes some quality gear and USA made is hard to find these days...... Emotiva did announce the new XMC1 will be made in Tennessee as well as their new tube gear. That will be a big plus for the company and may trickle into their amplifier offerings someday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 One thing want to consider op is that perhaps 7/80 or 7/75 is a little lite for 7ii's/64.in a ht situation. I think you really can benefit from headroom in ht because of the nature of the way the sound is delivered... in big spikes and peaks. It's not that you need big power to driver your efficient speakers, but you do need power in instants where special effects require instant power delivery... and headroom helps in that respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary p Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Outlaw amps are quality. Made by ati amps in usa. Check out their product line which is more expensive as a reference. Outlaw also pairs up their amps with marantz pre-pros if you're familiar with those menus and setup. I would wait till I could afford something on the higher end of the power spec. Or you will be second guessing and looking to sell and upgrade. Hold out for 200 wpc. Then you'll be set for many years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Everyone always mention the impedace dips of the large Reference speakers but, the surrouns take much more power to hit reference level since they are a lower sensitivity. I like 200 watts amps as my first choice for the Reference line. Gary P is right, you'll be set for many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I used to like 200. But now in a 350 kinda guy lol. But on a serious note. 200 watts is where you wanna be. Or more. I lived my emotiva. But if I had more money I would have prolly went with outlaw for the lower gain. I'd go for the 7x200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_Guy Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I used to like 200. But now in a 350 kinda guy lol. But on a serious note. 200 watts is where you wanna be. Or more. I lived my emotiva. But if I had more money I would have prolly went with outlaw for the lower gain. I'd go for the 7x200 The new Emotiva amp models now have lower gain. But it was never a problem for me with my amps anyway, I have an XPA-2 & XPA-5 and have owned an XPA-3 which I sold when I bought my XPA-2. All have had dead silent noise floor and I have been extremely happy with their quality and performance. I also agree that a minimum of 200w is the way to go, at least for the Klipsch Reference line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Well true about the new xpa being lower gain. I never had a problem with hiss. Only thing I didn't like was when I had my gear in a smaller room because of the higher gain all my channels were maxed out as low as they can go which throws off reference calibration. Not a problem in a bigger room but was still annoying when I was in that particular situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_Guy Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Well true about the new xpa being lower gain. I never had a problem with hiss. Only thing I didn't like was when I had my gear in a smaller room because of the higher gain all my channels were maxed out as low as they can go which throws off reference calibration. Not a problem in a bigger room but was still annoying when I was in that particular situation. This is one of the many ways attenuators can help in a system, I found a lot of improvements with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) No need for em now. Hate to spend money on something I KNOW I won't need once my situation improved. I'm now in a bigger room and levels set just fine. And I WILL NOT be buying a house that forces me to be in any smaller room than I am in right now. Edited December 24, 2013 by Scrappydue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_Guy Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 That's why I said "one of the many ways", the huge improvement with attenuators was in digital two channel music which had a very nice music quality improvement, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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