Moderators dtel Posted November 1, 2017 Moderators Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, CECAA850 said: Do you have external gauges? 7 minutes ago, rplace said: Yea with no gauges I can't really tell...but I'm pretty sure that is the only variable. And with the change in noise the machine now makes due to how it always sounded I think it is pressure related or at a minimum something else with the machine. Not the tamp/dose/grind. Sounds like alot of work, I'll stick with my caveman type coffee maker. 4 minutes ago, CECAA850 said: Unless your burrs are loose Hate when that happens. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rplace Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, CECAA850 said: Do you run cleaner through it on occasion? Descale it at least every 6 months. Fresh water anytime it sits for more than a week, like vacation etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, dtel said: Sounds like alot of work, I'll stick with my caveman type coffee maker. Hate when that happens. Dtel, I've resisted making this same comment. I suppose I'm a simpleton but reading through the engineering involved to brew a cup of coffee, ok expresso, seems way overboard - at least for me. Then again I look at my speakers which are indeed Way overboard, or my car or my motorcycle then it somewhat makes sense. Only somewhat - 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, rplace said: Descale it at least every 6 months. Fresh water anytime it sits for more than a week, like vacation etc. I suppose it's possible that the compressor is malfunctioning on occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, richieb said: I suppose I'm a simpleton Should I start a poll? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rplace Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Funny I know a guy that has thousands of dollars tied up in fishing gear. Last rig I bought had the rod and reel as a package deal and said Zebco. Everyone seems to have one or more obsessions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, CECAA850 said: I suppose it's possible that the compressor is malfunctioning on occasion. Has anyone thought to check the flux capacitor? Seems obvious to me ---- 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, dtel said: Sounds like alot of work It's really not once everything is dialed in and working properly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, richieb said: Has anyone thought to check the flux capacitor? Seems obvious to me ---- Sounds like something a simpleton would say. I'll nix the poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, CECAA850 said: Should I start a poll? If you'd like? Already admitting to it is half the battle -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, CECAA850 said: Sounds like something a simpleton would say. I'll nix the poll. Thank you - I was getting my time machines and expresso makers all mixed up -- something a simpleton can easily do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rplace Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, CECAA850 said: It's really not once everything is dialed in and working properly. Agree it was pretty straight forward for a long time....not to mention better and cheaper than most coffee shops local to me be it a big chain or boutique coffee house. IMO espresso is coffee in its purest from and when done right unbeatable. If your throwing in milk, sugar and flavored chemical syrups who cares. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, richieb said: Thank you - I was getting my time machines and expresso makers all mixed up I hate when that happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, rplace said: IMO espresso is coffee in its purest from and when done right unbeatable. This ^^^^^^ I think the process itself is messier than it is complex. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted November 1, 2017 Moderators Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Ceptorman said: My wife is ok with this stuff, all she ever says is when we're watching a movie....turn the big speakers on, and they're pretty Good deal, I don't understand when people say some wives have a problem with certain speakers, there are not allowed, or something similar. So if it's your hobby and make you happy why just NO for an answer ? Would they rather you take up a hobby of watching strippers ? OK bad example, I could understand that one also..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtmudd Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 9 minutes ago, rplace said: Funny I know a guy that has thousands of dollars tied up in fishing gear. Last rig I bought had the rod and reel as a package deal and said Zebco. Everyone seems to have one or more obsessions. On 10/22/2017 at 8:03 AM, rplace said: Fitting packaging for the season 9 minutes ago, rplace said: Funny I know a guy that has thousands of dollars tied up in fishing gear. Last rig I bought had the rod and reel as a package deal and said Zebco. Everyone seems to have one or more obsessions. I think it's time for a vintage unit... https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/the-long-history-of-the-espresso-machine-126012814/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted November 1, 2017 Moderators Share Posted November 1, 2017 12 minutes ago, richieb said: 15 minutes ago, CECAA850 said: Should I start a poll? If you'd like? Already admitting to it is half the battle -- Voluntary poll, I liked his answer, just for the imaginary poll, it's about the only part that didn't come up. Want some coffee or to be sent back to 1975 ? Like I would have the slightest chance of doing all of that first thing in the morning, i'm happy just to find my cup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtmudd Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 4 hours ago, dirtmudd said: now it went full circled...! https://papabear.com/miscpages/tlevcoffee.htm Hi there, and welcome to the Coffee Corner So much espresso related stuff was piling up on my site that it seemed best to devote a page to it. There are some /graphics: my design of the King Crimson touring valet, photos of the finished item, and some other machines. I've got some links to interesting coffee related sites I've found, there's a hysterical essay on coffee by Balzac, and if you've got RealAudio, you can play "Espresso & the Bed of Nails," a track from my cd World Diary, which begins with a sample of an espresso machine. Cheers, COFFEE ON THE ROAD: The 'Crim Valet' or 'Café Crim' The "Crim Valet": the original design, and the final product which - in its 'road case' - accompanied the recent King Crimson European Tour as "Café Crim". Excerpts from "Espresso Coffee - Professional Techniques" by David C. Schomer "When adjusting your grind, think of yourself as a musician tuning your violin as its delicately balanced wood frame changes ever so slightly in response to increases and decreases in temperature and humidity." "There is a golden rate of water flow, corresponding to about a 25 second extraction for a total shot, single or double, that maximizes flavor release and minimizes the amount of nasty acids and excessive caffeine that get into the final cup." "Remember, coffee flavors are very volatile and more than a little cranky. Pre-grinding the coffee, even for a few moments, exposes the coffee oils to the air, which immediately, through the process of oxidation, begins to destroy flavor compounds." "There is wide agreement that the pump for espresso making should be set between 8.2 and 9 atmospheres of pressure." "Temperature control is the reason that the porta-filter is always kept in the head of the machine. These critical brewing baskets should never rest on the counter during business hours. If you see the group handles lying on the counter in an espresso shop, forget it. Go somewhere else for an espresso." THE COFFEE STATION This is the "Coffee Station" device, built by my friend Ed Doyle ESPRESSO & THE BED OF NAILS Here is "Espresso & the Bed of Nails", a track from WORLD DIARY, featuring the percussion group Nexus. It begins with a sample of my trusty (well, not too trusty) Gaggia, which was a major presence in the studio during the mix. (RealAudio 28.8 stream)This selection requires the latest Microsoft Internet Explorer or Netscape with the NEW RealAudio plug-in. We urge you to download it (Version 5+) now from Real Audio. COFFEE CONNECTIONS My trusty road machine is an Estro Profi, which has held up very well to constant travel. (I also have an identical Italian version, for some reason called 'Saeco' Rio Profi.) Coffee is a great power in my life; I have observed its effects on an epic scale. Coffee roasts your insides. Many people claim coffee inspires them, but, as everybody knows, coffee only makes boring people even more boring. ...as Brillat-Savarin has correctly observed, coffee sets the blood in motion and stimulates the muscles; it accelerates the digestive processes, chases away sleep, and gives us the capacity to engage a little longer in the exercise of our intellects. ...Coffee changes over time. Rossini has personally experienced some of these effects as, of course, have I. "Coffee," Rossini told me, "is an affair of fifteen or twenty days; just the right amount of time, fortunately, to write an opera." This is true. But the length of time during which one can enjoy the benefits of coffee can be extended. For a while - for a week or two at most - you can obtain the right amount of stimulation with one, then two cups of coffee brewed from beans that have been crushed with gradually increasing force and infused with hot water. For another week, by decreasing the amount of water used, by pulverizing the coffee even more finely, and by infusing the grounds with cold water, you can continue to obtain the same cerebral power. When you have produced the finest grind with the least water possible, you double the dose by drinking two cups at a time; particularly vigorous constitutions can tolerate three cups. In this manner one can continue working for several more days. Finally, I have discovered a horrible, rather brutal method that I recommend only to men of excessive vigor, men with thick black hair and skin covered with liver spots, men with big square hands and legs shaped like bowling pins. It is a question of using finely pulverized, dense coffee, cold and anhydrous, consumed on an empty stomach. ...this coffee falls into your stomach ... it brutalizes these beautiful stomach linings as a wagon master abuses ponies; the plexus becomes inflamed; sparks shoot all the way up to the brain. From that moment on, everything becomes agitated. Ideas quick-march into motion like battalions of a grand army to its legendary fighting ground, and the battle rages. Memories charge in, bright flags on high; the cavalry of metaphor deploys with a magnificent gallop; the artillery of logic rushes up with clattering wagons and cartridges; on imagination's orders, sharpshooters sight and fire; forms and shapes and characters rear up; the paper is spread with ink - for the nightly labor begins and ends with torrents of this black water, as a battle opens and concludes with black powder. ...When you have reached the point of consuming this kind of coffee, then become exhausted and decide that you really must have more,... you will fall into horrible sweats, suffer feebleness of the nerves, and undergo episodes of severe drowsiness. I don't know what would happen if you kept at it then: a sensible nature counseled me to stop at this point, seeing that immediate death was not otherwise my fate. To be restored, one must begin with recipes made with milk and chicken and other white meats: finally the tension on the harp strings eases, and one returns to the relaxed, meandering, simple-minded, and cryptogamous life of the retired bourgeoisie. The state coffee puts one in when it is drunk on an empty stomach under these magisterial conditions produces a kind of animation that looks like anger: one's voice rises, one's gestures suggest unhealthy impatience: one wants everything to proceed with the speed of ideas; one becomes brusque, ill-tempered about nothing... One assumes that everyone is equally lucid. A man of spirit must therefore avoid going out in public. I discovered this singular state ... some friends, with whom I had gone out to the country, witnessed me arguing about everything, haranguing with monumental bad faith. ... We found the problem soon enough: coffee wanted its victim. Last modified: 4-19-00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 OK - this is tough for me but lets get serious. Say I want to begin brewing expresso - from start to finish grinding to brewing how much $$$$ does this require? And lets keep it real 'cause like with everything it can be taken to a ridiculous extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtmudd Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 22 minutes ago, richieb said: OK - this is tough for me but lets get serious. Say I want to begin brewing expresso - from start to finish grinding to brewing how much $$$$ does this require? And lets keep it real 'cause like with everything it can be taken to a ridiculous extreme. it depends on your needs... how much espresso you use.. and now much are you willing to spend.. do your homework.. do your homework do your homework !!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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