loudandclear Posted March 27, 2014 Author Share Posted March 27, 2014 Whats with all the sansui talk lately... my vote is for why botherSorry I brought the topic up! Didn't think it would disgruntle some folks! I am new to the vintage gear and just wanted some input from veteran users of some of their equipment. My first pieces were some Sansui stuff and I like what I hear, so just inquiring about some other brands and view-points. I should know by now after being around different people for some fifty-odd years there will always be a small percentage of them that don't play well with others:)Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muel Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 No need to be sorry! I feel that we are caretakers of this vintage equipment. If someone doesn't care much for particular equipment they should pass it on to someone who might. I've saved numerous nice pieces of equipment and spent what some would say is more than they are worth. With some things you just don't know until you have already spent the money. Worst case is you find out what you don't like. Personally, I have no regrets except once I did not do a complete restore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul79 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) As far as the subject at hand. Regardless if its cost effective or not any piece of audio gear 30+ years old should be recapped if reliable long term performance is important. There is also the danger of no longer available identical to original components being damage from being used long after it should be... many of the components in 70's solid state have not been produced in decades! Most of the good SS techs know how to cross reference and make things work but in many cases it can compromise or change the performance of the gear by doing so. In short rebuild it before it fails is the best policy. Same goes for Tube gear!! I do agree, that the job must be assigned to a qualified tech. No question. If one does not know what they are doing, they can really screw up the sound. The parts are out there to make things right and the piece to sound the way it was intended to sound. What separates the men from the boys is keeping up with the latest parts in order to pull it off, as well as buying up stock when things are available, before they get dropped. The only real exception currently, as far as unavailable parts affecting the sound goes, are some of the higher speed output devices used in the very few vintage amps that contained them. The TO3 versions of these high speed devices are long gone, and I don't see them coming back again for a very long time, if ever... And yes, these are important for these few amps to sound right. However, the rest of the stuff is available using proper substitutes. Note: 98% of the vintage gear out there does not use these high speed outputs. Keep listening folks. Old is still very damn good Edited March 29, 2014 by paul79 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 The ON Semiconductor MJ21195/96 are the right speed and gain to replace virtually all the older TO3 devies seen in vintage gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paul79 Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) No no no.... To clarify, I did not mean ALL TO3's are gone. There are good replacements for the majority, as noted in post 24. Just the faster TO-3's are gone. Edited March 29, 2014 by paul79 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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djk Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Bongiorno also recommended the MJ21195/96 for all GAS and SAE product (except where a darlington was used in some SAE, but ON makes them too). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul79 Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) The MJ21193 and MJ21194 are good also. Not huge difference, but the 93/94 have extended gain into larger currents, and the 95/96 have a bit wider SOA. The 93/94 will usually result in lower distortion numbers. I'd choose the 93/94 for every amplifier below 250wpc. Edited March 29, 2014 by paul79 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paul79 Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Long gone I'm afraid.... In the rare instances where these are bad, a TO-220 will go in with a little craft... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Taz Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 (edited) Whats with all the sansui talk lately... my vote is for why botherSorry I brought the topic up! Didn't think it would disgruntle some folks! I am new to the vintage gear and just wanted some input from veteran users of some of their equipment. My first pieces were some Sansui stuff and I like what I hear, so just inquiring about some other brands and view-points. I should know by now after being around different people for some fifty-odd years there will always be a small percentage of them that don't play well with others:)Just saying. Not everybody feels the same as I do. However I do like my old Sansui. I happen to enjoy them very much regardless of what some people may think of Sansui. Do I think it's the best there is out there. No, But neither is my Marantz units, my Fisher, my Mcintosh, or even my Trio. The Fisher, Mcintosh, and Trio being Tube amps. And even those are far from the best. Tough Weenies! I like them. And I thought this was a place to ask questions as to how to improve what I, or someone else might have. I really don't give a rat's anul orfice if someone else likes what I have or not. Nor do I care if someone likes what another person on this forum has or not. I believe the question was To re-cap or not? So if I want to talk about my Sansui Gear I would certainly hope that those with constructive comments would help me out as they have in the past. And those with put downs about what I have, or another member has, and wants a little advice about are uncalled for. I would hope those who do not care for the gear that others have can keep their negative comments to themselves. Instead of being a anul orfice and attempting to put down others equipment. And Schu, I was thinking of selling one of my Sansui, but now I think I'll keep it. Not that I expect you to give an Rats Anul Orfice! However feel welcome to stick your vote there if it feels good to you. loudandclear, don't mind the occasional put down on the forum. Some people seem to need to do this to feel better about themselves. I wonder if it's not a "I'm better than you" or "My gear is so much better then yours that yours is not worth talking about" thing? John W. Hendersonj Edited March 30, 2014 by Taz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedball Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 I vote repair it. If your piece sounded good to you and it's in good shape, it may be an inexpensive way to get it back on the road so to speak. Nice link "many moons audio" I'm going to contact him about my old Conrad Johnson stereo amp because I have always liked it until it started making a noise in one channel. Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivervalleymgb Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Paul does great work. He has done all my work over the past several years. The Sansui AU7900 he modded for me will never leave my hands while I am in this world. His dad's woodwork is assume, also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivervalleymgb Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Awesome. Getting too old to type! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul79 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 That you Mr. Wish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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