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Full Range Posted October 15, 2017 Author Share Posted October 15, 2017 23 hours ago, mach-1 said: Yes it sounds like Dope but not from Hope AR USA! Mate you have an attention span problem And you don’t read the posts Let’s get this straight The speakers are not Klipsch original ✅ I have stated that The speaker drivers are not original ✅ I have stated that The crossover is not original ✅ I have stated that However based on the alterations to components, what has been created is a finely tuned speaker and subject to a persons point of view better than the original Let’s take an example A race car driver takes delivery of a new car out of a showroom Can he drive that car in a race ? I say no as he will be left behind So he takes that same car and alters the running gear to make it - “Fit For Purpose “ also competitive and safe Now I ask you - Choose a brand of car and insert name - XYZXYZ When you see that altered car driving around the race track and winning races DO YOU say that car is not XYZXYZ because it is enhanced with better parts than a car from the showroom Seriously 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Full Range Posted October 15, 2017 Author Share Posted October 15, 2017 You sir is what we call a prickly thorny devil Without a clue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wvu80 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Full Range said: Let’s get this straight The speakers are not Klipsch original ✅ I have stated that The speaker drivers are not original ✅ I have stated that The crossover is not original ✅ I have stated that Let's try to get the thread back on track. I think people are trying to help you but they are being a bit inelegant about it because they perceive you are not picking up what they are laying down. You have good components Mr. @Full Range but the problem is the guys who really know their stuff want the crossover design be be exactly matched. Most XO designers cringe when guys LIKE ME try to swap out compression driver (for instance) with no purpose other than I happen to have one laying around, or conversely take known components and simply plug a XO designed for Speaker A into Speaker B. I like experimenting and sometimes I get good results. But the really smart guys will roll their eyes at my naive approach to (ahem) "speaker design" because they know (and they are right) that 99% of the time my approach doesn't work. What happens is I get a speaker where all the pieces don't play nice with each other and the sound usually comes out sounding like poo-poo. That doesn't stop me from trying, or from being honest enough with myself to admit that the smart XO design guys are usually right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 2 hours ago, mach-1 said: Did you read up on porting DJK style (he does not have a Klipsch LaScala) Who doesn't have a Klipsch LaScala? DJK has had them... I have them... 1 hour ago, mach-1 said: This box is part of the DJK port mod without it you have it you have a useless internet upgrade, a pile of dog pooh! Not totally needed for the upgrade but will help. What's your problem. If I were living on the other side of the planet, I would probably build my own. Actually, I will be on the other side of the planet in about 5 more years, and I won't be shipping all the stuff I have here around the globe. In fact, the current pair I have is only half Klipsch. The other was a copy. They both now have Klipsch guts. Doesn't matter to me that they aren't all Klipsch. They sound like it... What's the problem here? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.4 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 This is the tech mod forum right? I believe that opens the door any and all interpretations of the original designs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axz Hout Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 On 10/14/2017 at 9:26 PM, mach-1 said: You can't tweek a LaScala it was how many sheets of plywood to make a box. DMF S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.4 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 29 minutes ago, mach-1 said: Sorry the Dwilawyer needs my respect So as above post No.4 it is not as at it below. I purchased a 1975 Klipsch LaScala, free shipping to the freight terminal in NH, USA = $525 The inside interweb dimensions are not same as my Factory build. I have posted this with pix. The box needs a woofer, I have posted four (4) internal changes for woofers used in the LaScala. So someone crafted a box for a unknown woofer to be used. That would be a Frankenspeker to start, now I am looking for a useless crossover design . . . ... ........................... You don't have wOFFER or a xover or a Mid/horn/driver, or a TWEETER to sound like a KLIPSCH LaScala. With respect to Roy D and PWK call it a wobbley clone, no Bass no Bite. I love the looks of the RUNT I’m not sure how to respond to this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 2 hours ago, mach-1 said: The inside interweb dimensions are not same as my Factory build. I have posted this with pix. You can measure real ones with real Klipsch stickers and they won't all be the same. Your point? It's pretty obvious on the present pair I have now the the copy was made from the real one. They are exactly the same size. When I got them, they had NO Klipsch guts. The had wrong t/s parameter woofers, JBL 800 Hz crossovers with EV 8HD horns and EV 1828R drivers. The tweeters were piezos with a single cap on them. Someone was using them for a PA. I'm sure they sounded awful, but they only cost me $100. I now have K33s for them and K400 horns. They are getting closer to my original LS that I sold due to finances. I would love to hear the ones that Full Range built, but even after retiring it will be a 15-16 hour flight to Brisbane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full Range Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 23 hours ago, mach-1 said: You can't tweek a LaScala it was how many sheets of plywood to make a box. DMF If you are trying to help then I need to say that - You offer little help with your one line replies Im not even sure that the reply is yours or a copy and paste from another source Your post also shows a little bit of ignorance And reinforces my earlier assumption that you are naive You selectively quote others - and those selections are cryptic in nature as it’s not the whole picture I don’t know your background, your qualifications, if you have built any speakers / components or if you own any Klipsch Speakers Have stated already, that going back decades that I have built several folded horn speakers and plans using Lowther drivers that predate Klipsch and I would like to think that I’m a pretty good judge if something is good or not I take pride in posting full answers or explanations and if that is not good enough for you then I’ll raise my hands up and give up because with you it’s like talking to a brick wall Further more - I challenge you to visit me in Australia and review my speakers And I will pay for one way of your ticket to do so And I remind you that this thread is about a custom crossover build to bring out the best out of the non standard speakers Now read on - Consider this The year of La Scala production 1963 The availability of suitable materials Cost of all materials and parts Labour cost The price points of other offerings by competitors Any good engineer and Paul Klipsch was a briliant engineer would factor in all these points Using an X number of ply sheets was factored into the design so there was no waste and the design was minimalist It was made affordable and at a competitive price point against other brands No dispute that he designed a great speaker to get maximum sound quality with components available to him But it was designed on sound engineering principles that had a budget and no bullshit Today if you ask another engineer And - If that engineer had no constraints Can you build this product better - The answer would be yes If Paul Klipsch was alive today and the was asked the same question Im pretty sure thar he would also say yes Edit P.S I am a retired engineer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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No.4 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I wish to use an example of another product and the aftermarket directly related to this product. Most of us are familiar with the very popular product that goes by the name of Jeep. This is a product that has been around for many decades and has endured many engineering changes and improvements over time. Note; not all engineering changes are improvements but they are measurable changes. Whew got that out of the way. Anyways, this is a product that a person with the right skills and ambition can build completely out of a catalog. When I say completely I mean they could build the entire vehicle using absolutely no parts ever manufactured by Chrysler, amc, Daimler, fiat or whoever. But this finished vehicle will be considered for all intents and purposes a Jeep. No body gets butt hurt that it was not made by Chrysler or that it’s top engineer did not put the last ceremonial drop of oil in the crankcase. The after market is embraced because all in all whether you must have a bone stock vehicle with the original dealer sticker in the window, or a trail machine with more scratches than DJs record collection you share a common interest. The point is, who cares if someone built their own speakers, I built mine. I am here every day reading posts and contributing what I can. My input and others still drives new customers to klipsch. It creates excitement for the brand. I am a klipsch customer too. I am also a woodworker and enjoy a challenge. I want RF7IIs , I will probably buy them over building them. I apologize for this post becoming a rant.. enjoy your klipsch whether they be the design or finished product. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 "I know engineers... they LOVE to change things!" LM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axz Hout Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 On 10/15/2017 at 8:50 PM, Full Range said: if you have built any speakers Y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axz Hout Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 On 10/15/2017 at 9:01 PM, No.4 said: the very popular product that goes by the name of Jeep. Y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full Range Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 On 16/10/2017 at 11:14 AM, mach-1 said: Yes I have two Klipschorns and a LaScala from Hope AR (circa 1975) free shipping still in the house, later I built Belle clones and a cinema F-20 sub with an 18in driver. Also in 1976 I bought two Klipsch Heresy loudspeakers from Hope that I gave to a friend in need of tunes. If you click on the Glyph pix that is my room front view 40 years + 24/7/365 Thats well and good But how does that help me Without hearing my system - How do you know if my system is equal , worse or better than the original Im going to be diplomatic and say that it’s none of the above And finish off and just say that it’s a different flavour Can you just stop with the one liner selective quotes and reply’s- as it’s wearing thin on me I took a good 30 + minutes for me to write a detailed reply and you cheapen it with a crap answer Unless you actually have something constructive and original to say - this will be my last reply to your posts Edit And I still think that you are a prickly Thorny Devil and a thorn in my side And still clueless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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