ClaudeJ1 Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 4 hours ago, karlson3 said: 100 - 200 watts per channel with Delta Pro12A would be nice I guess if you throw cubic feet of space into the Equation, the Super Heresy is not a bad compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 4 hours ago, Marvel said: Since the Tangent uses all the same parts as the HII, I would build 4 new cabinets, with the same dimension as the Tangent 400 and move all the parts. Other than having a flimsy cabinet, the 400s are really good. Bruce Maybe a new Tangent thread should be started about this............................pun intended. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springy Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I'll refrain from getting off into a Tangent then. ClaudeJ1, to your knowledge, has the Super Heresy conversion been done to the H2? Other than a crossover swap I can't see much else that would stop a person from trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 41 minutes ago, Springy said: I'll refrain from getting off into a Tangent then. ClaudeJ1, to your knowledge, has the Super Heresy conversion been done to the H2? Other than a crossover swap I can't see much else that would stop a person from trying. I don't know of anyone who has done this. HOWEVER, You could just cut the hole, put in the port, the insulation, and do the woofer swap without changing the Xover, initially, just to see what you end up with. Then, if you don't like what you hear, modify the network. Without changing the Xover, you will have more detailed midrange, stronger midbass, stronger bass (very strong it you put it in a small room) right off the bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frzninvt Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Would it be a safe assumption that if one were to replace the HIE network in Heresy HIP's with a Cornwall Type B it would achieve similar results? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 If you also apply some internal foam to the cabinet, yes, I've done that very thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted July 27, 2018 Author Share Posted July 27, 2018 4 hours ago, Frzninvt said: Would it be a safe assumption that if one were to replace the HIE network in Heresy HIP's with a Cornwall Type B it would achieve similar results? If you do a B network, you may want to try swapping the iwiring polarities on both the mid and twee sections. Black wire to red on the strip and red wire to black on the strip, which is what a modified E does when you resolder and recap like a B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted July 27, 2018 Author Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 hours ago, jimjimbo said: If you also apply some internal foam to the cabinet, yes, I've done that very thing. Since you own the Original Gold Standard Super Heresy, how does a modified HIP sound after conversion in comparison?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 54 minutes ago, ClaudeJ1 said: Since you own the Original Gold Standard Super Heresy, how does a modified HIP sound after conversion in comparison?? It's not the same, but that's obviously because of the difference between the front porting of the HIP and the rear port of the Super. The bass response of the HIP is improved modestly, but at the same time, I don't think the HIP is as placement sensitive because of that front porting. I still much prefer the Super. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oicu812 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 58 minutes ago, jimjimbo said: It's not the same, but that's obviously because of the difference between the front porting of the HIP and the rear port of the Super. The bass response of the HIP is improved modestly, but at the same time, I don't think the HIP is as placement sensitive because of that front porting. I still much prefer the Super. Any reason why you wouldn't plug the front ports, and do the backward firing ports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted July 27, 2018 Author Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, jimjimbo said: It's not the same, but that's obviously because of the difference between the front porting of the HIP and the rear port of the Super. The bass response of the HIP is improved modestly, but at the same time, I don't think the HIP is as placement sensitive because of that front porting. I still much prefer the Super. Yep, that's what I thought, but could not prove it. Rear porting allows for the large wavelength from 150 Hz. down to bounce off the wall and get some of the Acoustic Gain it needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted July 27, 2018 Author Share Posted July 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Oicu812 said: Any reason why you wouldn't plug the front ports, and do the backward firing ports? Too much work. You're better off modding Heresy 1's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 44 minutes ago, ClaudeJ1 said: Too much work. You're better off modding Heresy 1's. Or you could buy the birch pair that I still have available.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DizRotus Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 17 hours ago, ClaudeJ1 said: Since you own the Original Gold Standard Super Heresy, how does a modified HIP sound after conversion in comparison?? You’ll get some idea later today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 On 7/26/2018 at 4:20 PM, Springy said: I'll refrain from getting off into a Tangent then. ClaudeJ1, to your knowledge, has the Super Heresy conversion been done to the H2? Other than a crossover swap I can't see much else that would stop a person from trying. Sort of. The KP-201 tweeters and squawkers were combined with Eminence Delta Pro12a woofers and Super networks. Today they and HIPs will meet up with @ClaudeJ1 and @Treyphan. We shall hear what we shall hear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Unfortunately, the meeting referenced above did not take place. Perhaps it will take place in the future. @Treyphan @ClaudeJ1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave A Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 2 hours ago, DizRotus said: Unfortunately, the meeting referenced above did not take place. Perhaps it will take place in the future. @Treyphan @ClaudeJ1 You are killing me I was looking forward to the report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treyphan Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Hello Hello! Well, sorry it’s been a while fellow Klipscheads, but I’ve been SUPER busy this summer...anyway. So Claude and I got together for a full fledged Audio Geek out today, spent about 9 hours running tests and tweaking my SH 1.5’s. Sense I last reported, I’d made some changes. The top and mid was just too hot with the taps jumped 3db. Even with my vintage McIntosh Tube setup and vinyl it was screamin hot. So I know Knocked the taps back to original E2 specs and took the 2nd 2uf cap off the mid and tweeter. While this certainly solved the “brightness” issue...I brought about a dullness. The top was basically gone. (As the measurements proved) So after having to cancel last weekend(Sorry again Diz and Claude, hope to meet you soon Diz!) I made it over to Claude’s today, SH’s in toe. we hooked one up and ran a sweep....believe @ClaudeJ1 will be in later with the plots, the werebasically rolling off hard a 6k!!!! No wonder there was no “sparkle”. This is when hen we decided to try a number of different crossover configs, none of which helped fully. Then greatness happened...we installed the B&C DE 120 tweeter using a billet aluminum “horn lens”. I soldered em up right quick...slapped the SH’s back together and didn’t even need to see the sweep plotted to know it was finally right....I could hear it. The graph confirmed with a VERY flat response out to 20k. After a nice long day, I was ready to get home. But not before I soldered the other tweeter and mounted it. I hadn’t yet heard music through them...so I raced home. Hooked the SH’s up to a nice strapped MC240 each(total overkill, I’ve got the gain way down, but why not?) and they sounded incredible! Im pretty happy, after thinking I’ve had it a few times.....still thinking it could use a bit more. Well that bit more is the tweeter and the gorgeous aluminum tweeter lens! While the original tweeter can remain.....after hearing the B&C...it’s just worth it. So as @ClaudeJ1 said “different is different” I now believe this to be the best version of the Super Heresy 1.5. We found the response was flatter WITH the 33uf cap. Measured both. Bass response remains GREAT in real listening...I forget the numbers as I was more focused on the top end. at any rate...it’s been a long day, but wanted to update. I’ll be back with more info in the next few days. heres a few pics with the new tweets 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Sorry I couldn’t join you. Still hope to get a chance to get together with you, Claude and my two pairs of SH and sundry tweeter options. That aluminum tweeter lens sure looks great. Glad it sounds as good as it looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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