djk Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 "no , the laser logos are not painted on , it is a different process" It looked and felt like vinyl ink screened on the copper plate, what process do you think was used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbargain Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Hmmm. So I have 2 answers - both "yes" and "no". Not sure how to interpret. Does this mean there are 2 versions of those that are 1/2" x 3"? - One that is etched (either engraved or laser etched) with paint in the etching. - And a second that is merely painted on a flat copper plate? My single original badge is like the first one. The one I got from eBay is like the second description. I don't have really deep background about Klipsch but have never seen the second one on any speakers before, which is what lead me to question its authenticity. So. Are there 2 versions of the badge, with the same logo, but created with a different process? 1 simply painted and the other with paint applied in the voids left from some engraving or laser etching process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbargain Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Given Klipsch has taken the time to create a web page about counterfeit klipsch stuff, why don't they create some documentation of how to ID authentic things? Or have they, and I haven't found it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 "the other with paint applied in the voids left from some engraving or laser etching process?" If that's how they were made it would be easy to have a set made for your speakers, and for far less than the quoted eBay price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 "no , the laser logos are not painted on , it is a different process" It looked and felt like vinyl ink screened on the copper plate, what process do you think was used? I own a pair of Heresy speakers with the laser logo - you cant rub it off like you would for vinyl ink - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted February 13, 2015 Moderators Share Posted February 13, 2015 Randyh, on 12 Feb 2015 - 9:50 PM, said: djk, on 12 Feb 2015 - 01:41 AM, said: "no , the laser logos are not painted on , it is a different process" It looked and felt like vinyl ink screened on the copper plate, what process do you think was used? I own a pair of Heresy speakers with the laser logo - you cant rub it off like you would for vinyl ink - OK had me wondering, never really looked at them closely. It looks like it's stamped or laser etched ? The letter are recessed and painted or something in the recess. If I put my finger nail in the letter it feels recessed, you can feel the edge of the letters. I tried to take a pic to show it in the reflection of the light.............ok i'm lazy I didn't feel like opening a tripod so this is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) Randyh, on 12 Feb 2015 - 9:50 PM, said: djk, on 12 Feb 2015 - 01:41 AM, said: "no , the laser logos are not painted on , it is a different process" It looked and felt like vinyl ink screened on the copper plate, what process do you think was used? I own a pair of Heresy speakers with the laser logo - you cant rub it off like you would for vinyl ink - OK had me wondering, never really looked at them closely. It looks like it's stamped or laser etched ? The letter are recessed and painted or something in the recess. If I put my finger nail in the letter it feels recessed, you can feel the edge of the letters. I tried to take a pic to show it in the reflection of the light.............ok i'm lazy I didn't feel like opening a tripod so this is it these are not the laser logo - but the other picture is -no recess or letter edges or paint - flush -cant scratch it off -I dont know how its made- Edited February 13, 2015 by Randyh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted February 13, 2015 Moderators Share Posted February 13, 2015 Yes that looks different, I'v seen them before but not close. I do some glass etching ( and other things ) by sandblasting, it could be something similar to just change the surface, it just would change the texture without any ink to see the pattern ? But I have no idea really how they did that, that's just one way but I have never tried copper, I don't know if it would turn out like that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Yes that looks different, I'v seen them before but not close. I do some glass etching ( and other things ) by sandblasting, it could be something similar to just change the surface, it just would change the texture without any ink to see the pattern ? But I have no idea really how they did that, that's just one way but I have never tried copper, I don't know if it would turn out like that ? could they heat stamp it - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted February 13, 2015 Moderators Share Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) I have no idea, that or maby chemicals to change the surface ? This is how sandblasting it changes the surface on glass, it can be done finer, coarser, lighter or darker. This was just this pattern (font) for the letter my wife picked out, it can get much finer and more detailed lines. It looks different on different surfaces like metal or plastic...... I should have wiped the glass clean, it was done and stuck in the back of a china cabinet and never used, my wife just liked the color of the glass really. I don't know, being copper there are probably many different ways to do that ? Edited February 13, 2015 by dtel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix the Kat Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I was a member prior to 2013 but had to rejoin due to a digital shuffle here sometime during that year. I was elated reading this thread as it reinstated my lost confidence in common sense. Sure is gratifying to find so many who are aware of the hype in audio. As the late Mr. Klipsch said, 'What this country needs is a good 10w amplifier. He seemed quite partial to the Brooks. I've had the inimitable pleasure of meeting Mr. Klipsch many times on a one to one basis. The story can be found here. http://www.ln271828.net/exponent.htm Can't attach the pin and tie clip photos; they are in my gallery and the stories are in the above link. I realize these are not logos but couldn't find anywhere else here to make mention of them other than starting a new thread. Your understanding will be appreciated. Robert (Felix the Kat) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axz Hout Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 how about the laser logos - they are flush with no recess and it is not vinyl paint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbargain Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 My original badge is the one dtel shows in post #47. Now back to my original question. I bought 2 heresy's but only one had a badge. I bought what was adervertised on eBay as a klipsch badge and showed a picture very similar. But when I got it, there was no "etching" filled with paint or anything like it. Rather it was just paint on a plain piece of copper. I have never seen one like that, but I'm no expert. MY ORIGINAL QUESTION is; Is my eBay purchased badge a fake or did Klipsch make them like I describe; "just paint on a plain piece of copper"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincymat Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) My original badge is the one dtel shows in post #47. Now back to my original question. I bought 2 heresy's but only one had a badge. I bought what was adervertised on eBay as a klipsch badge and showed a picture very similar. But when I got it, there was no "etching" filled with paint or anything like it. Rather it was just paint on a plain piece of copper. I have never seen one like that, but I'm no expert. MY ORIGINAL QUESTION is; Is my eBay purchased badge a fake or did Klipsch make them like I describe; "just paint on a plain piece of copper"? The Klipsch badges on my 1993 Forte II speakers look and feel like "just paint on a plain piece of copper". There is no etching or relief around the lettering. HTH, Mark Edited February 16, 2015 by cincymat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducati2 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) I have now have new cane grills without logos on my 1975 cornwalls and wish to remove my pie logos from my 1975 black grills to move them over. Man they are glued on well. Any tips on how to get them off without destroying the black grills or the badges? It looks like they are plastic, but not sure. I actually bought a pair of pies off of ebay the other day, but they are a good deal smaller than OEM, and I decided I would rather have the originals on the new grills. Any thoughts on removing them? Edited January 29, 2016 by ducati2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) Amazing that we are facing the "counterfeit" problems. The "original" metals were etched and painted with lacquer, then finished with clear lacquer. Application was by glue. Hot glue rarely seen. Most all (prior to 1990+) for the vintage were applied with contact cement (which is why the originals are difficult to remove, or have a "yellowish" residue. Klipsch "badges" are one of the most counterfeited items for Klipsch. Alterations in the logo design, badge dimensions, etc. It has become almost impossible to tell the difference. I have complete sets of the originals, but... it's to the point that I cannot tell the difference, if any. For the vintage Heritage, one would be hard pressed to determine originals vs cheap knock-offs. Sad but true. It's driven by the market for the badges, emblems, etc. Wish i could be of more assistance, but.... times are changing. I can examine badges vs the confirmed originals, but it's not worth it anymore. Sad but true, the eCrap cheapo's are that good. That being said... badges that are still attached to used grills... well then... likely they are originals... Edited January 30, 2016 by Groomlakearea51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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