mustang guy Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 $2,000 is plenty of money to get what you need. Getting what you want depends on you. We have been talking about a forum just for Klipsch audio purchasing addiction. Many of us have that illness, and we think we soon may be able to collect partial disability for it. I'm sure Obamacare will recognize it as an illness. Just remember, the chase is the fun part. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 This multiple subs thing comes up constantly. I won't debate the room issue as I've never run across it personally. I can state unequivocally however that if your main speakers are full range, that is, starting at C1, then a single subwoofer will cover C0 to C1 with no issues of directionality. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted November 10, 2014 Moderators Share Posted November 10, 2014 Mustang, now that's funny. Dave, can you explain C1 and C0? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Music notes... C0 -> 16.35 Hz C1 -> 32.70 Hz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) C0 is 16.352 to 32.703 Hz. C1 is the next one up. PWK designed the Klipschorn to cover the "normal" range which starts at C1. C0 (and the even lower octave C-1 which starts at 8.176 Hz) are found only on pipe organ 64 and 32 foot stops, and a few giant drums and such...or artificial sources like move sound tracks. The "Sensaround" system for Earthquake and the like from way back were at 12Hz. These frequencies are not directional to human hearing and the lowest are not "heard" at all, but felt. Dave Edited November 10, 2014 by Mallette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly McAloney Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 Well it's up in the air if I even have 2000 now because my wife thinks we need a fence more, and I don't want to sound like a bit&h but I don't think I would even be allowed to have something called an orbit shifter, my wife thinks the112 is to much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 My old RSW-12 goes down to 19HZ at 98 DB SPL which satisfies me.JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 My Cinema F-6 project came in at around 700.00 and is good to a solid 16.5 Hz. Granted, it's big...but squeaky clean at all levels including rattle every window in the neighborhood level. Table tuba would be even a bit cheaper, smaller, and still good into the nether regions. Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted November 10, 2014 Moderators Share Posted November 10, 2014 Thx PSG and Dave. Wasn't sure what you were referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Table tuba would be even a bit cheaper, smaller, and still good into the nether regions. It wouldn't have gotten built in an afternoon though. It also won't go as low either but yes, it's smaller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 My Cinema F-6 F-20 to avoid googling confusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Never can remember...F-20 it is. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Never can remember...F-20 it is. Dave That's OK Dave, your memory is the second thing to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paducah Home Theater Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) i would take one good subwoofer over two or even three average ones any day of the week. I'd take a single more powerful sub vs two mediocre ones. SVS apparently disagrees, they are known to strongly recommend two PB-2000's over one SB13-Ultra. But hey, what do they know. funny when i bought from them they recommended one pb-13 ultra over two of their lesser subs. so id say they are all typical salesman, and they have their own opinion. and id also take two PORTED 2000's over the SEALED 13 ultra. sure thats a no brainer. I accidentally typed SB last night. I meant the PB13-Ultra. I don't think SVS is like Crutchfield where you get multiple sales people. I'm pretty sure it's usually Ed. The end recommendation that he gave me via email was in fact one PB-13. However, when we started out I had just called in, I'm assuming it was still him but can't remember, it was a soft spoken guy that sounded older and didn't talk very fast. I was asking about two PB13-Ultra's but then balked at the price. 4 grand or so for two 13's seemed a bit silly. He thought that was overkill for my room anyway regardless of the price. I was going to drop one sub. At that point the dual PB -2000's was highly recommended instead, mentioning several reasons, but I wanted a nicer/bigger sub that I could expand on later so it was switched. Maybe we totally misunderstood each other but the impression I got was that they always recommend two subs over one, even if you have to drop down to the PB-2000's for budget reasons, unless you have a receiver that does not have Audessey XT32 with SubEQ, and if that's the case then go with one nicer one. I've seen other guys on forums get this same impression as well. Edited November 10, 2014 by MetropolisLakeOutfitters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 and I don't want to sound like a bit&h but I don't think I would even be allowed to have something called an orbit shifter lol then just build a cinema F-20. does that sound more appealing and less scary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly McAloney Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 I have no idea how to build a subwoofer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Neither did I. That's what great forum friends are for... Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I have no idea how to build a subwoofer Where do you live? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly McAloney Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 Sounds like a bridge to far, to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly McAloney Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 Pictou,Nova Scotia, canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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