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The Missing Octave(s) - Audacity Remastering to Restore Tracks


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Hi Chris A, #1 post here!

"Once you've determined that your track has a missing bass octave, select Effects --> Equalize... then notice a curve pops up. Here is where you will open one of the example bass boost xml files that you found above in this thread, by clicking on the "Save/Manage Curves" button at the middle-bottom of the curve window. Import that xml file by hitting the "import" button and searching for the sml file that you've saved locally on hard disc. You should see the curve appear when you select if from the list. Hit "ok" to close the curve management window, then "ok" again to close and execute the Equalize... filter. You will see the traces change shape - perhaps even turn red, etc."

Keen to explore this & started with Bromberg 'crabtree', given I was already impressed with the bottom end. But, ran into an issue at the "Save/Manage" stage of importing your xml file. Using a mac & just can't locate the sml file ...?

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Welcome!  I found some information here on Audacity EQ curves: http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/EQCurvesDownload

 

The default directory where Audacity looks is apparently this one identified in the above link:

 

       ~/Library/Application Support/audacity/

 

Since I don't have a Mac handy, I'm not sure that this solves your issue.  Remember that if you save xml files, on the Mac and on Linux, you need to add the ",xml" suffix to the file name manually while exporting the file from Audacity... as per http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/equalization.html.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Chris

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I found an EQ curve for one CD (Boston, Epic 34188) that is basically the same across all the tracks (with minor variations). 

 

Attached below.  Make sure that you "Normalize..." each track after using filters.

 

EDIT:  I updated this file based on a re-listen at higher SPL.  This revision was done while listening at ~90 dBC at the listening chair and exhibits a bit more high end than the previous version.  Let me know which you think. 

 

Note that the last two tracks on this album begin to depart from ideal equalization relative to the preceding tracks using this one EQ curve.  I've attached two extra EQ curves, one each for the last two tracks (Something About You, and Let Me Take You Home Tonight) that can be run after the first filter is run (i.e., second filters), to further correct these last two tracks.

 

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Boston (Epic EK 34188) Rev. 2.XML

Boston EQ curve (Epik 34188).GIF

Something About You (second Filter to be run after first filter) - Boston.XML

Let Me Take You Home Tonight (second filter to be run after first filter) - Boston.XML

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Another one for Diana Krall's Stepping Out CD (GP GRD-9825):

 

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The DR Database log file of the newly restored tracks:

 

foobar2000 1.3.3 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2015-03-17 08:54:13

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Analyzed: Diana Krall / Stepping Out
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR14      -0.30 dB   -17.26 dB      4:30 01-This Can't Be Love -Diana Krall
DR13      -0.30 dB   -17.46 dB      3:54 02-Straighten Up And Fly Right -Diana Krall
DR14      -0.30 dB   -18.29 dB      4:01 03-Between The Devil And The Deep Blue Sea -Diana Krall
DR14      -0.30 dB   -19.13 dB      4:19 04-I'm Just A Lucky So And So -Diana Krall
DR15      -0.30 dB   -20.18 dB      5:34 05-Body And Soul -Diana Krall
DR15      -0.30 dB   -18.65 dB      6:16 06-42nd Street -Diana Krall
DR13      -0.30 dB   -17.67 dB      4:26 07-Do Nothin' Till You Hear From Me -Diana Krall
DR14      -0.30 dB   -17.64 dB      7:03 08-Big Foot -Diana Krall
DR14      -0.30 dB   -17.75 dB      4:06 09-Frim Fram Sauce -Diana Krall
DR15      -0.30 dB   -19.88 dB      5:19 10-Jimmie -Diana Krall
DR13      -0.30 dB   -16.28 dB      4:41 11-As Long As I Live -Diana Krall
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks:  11
Official DR value: DR14

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           923 kbps
Codec:             FLAC
================================================================================
 

Stepping Out - Diana Krall.XML

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Welcome!  I found some information here on Audacity EQ curves: http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/EQCurvesDownload

 

The default directory where Audacity looks is apparently this one identified in the above link:

 

       ~/Library/Application Support/audacity/

 

Since I don't have a Mac handy, I'm not sure that this solves your issue.  Remember that if you save xml files, on the Mac and on Linux, you need to add the ",xml" suffix to the file name manually while exporting the file from Audacity... as per http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/equalization.html.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Chris

 

That path doesn't exist on my Mac with OSX Mavericks (10.9.5). Mine says it saved the file to xxx.xml with the rest of the path, but that doesn't exist. You can change the path to point to a folder of your choosing, which works fine.

 

I'm going to upgrade mine to Yosemite this afternoon and I'll check again.

 

Bruce

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Suzanne Ciani - Dream Suite (Musica International SW7001-2)

 

This CD has significant "spectral shaping" below 400 Hz and above 3500 Hz. The EQ curve, below, fixes that problem.

 

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The DR Database log file of the newly restored tracks:

 

foobar2000 1.3.3 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2015-03-17 08:49:22

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Analyzed: Suzanne Ciani / Dream Suite
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR11      -0.30 dB   -18.75 dB      4:47 01-Meeting Mozart
DR12      -0.30 dB   -18.64 dB      4:31 02-Andalusian Dream
DR13      -0.30 dB   -18.02 dB      4:01 03-Lime Marmalade Reverie
DR12      -0.30 dB   -18.06 dB      5:04 04-Full Moon Sonata
DR11      -0.30 dB   -17.27 dB      4:28 05-Time Stops
DR12      -0.30 dB   -15.49 dB      3:39 06-Dream of the Pink Zebra
DR11      -0.30 dB   -17.35 dB      4:11 07-Riding Heaven's Wave
DR11      -0.30 dB   -15.58 dB      3:39 08-Megan's Dream
DR12      -0.30 dB   -18.02 dB      3:16 09-Sogno Agitato
DR12      -0.30 dB   -17.07 dB      4:09 10-'Til Time and Times Are Done
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Number of tracks:  10
Official DR value: DR12

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           690 kbps
Codec:             FLAC
================================================================================
 

Dream Suite - Suzanne Ciani.XML

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The Police - Synchronicity (A&M CD 3735)

 

The DR Database log file of the newly restored tracks:

 

foobar2000 1.3.3 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2015-03-17 08:46:19

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Analyzed: The Police / Synchronicity
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR15      -0.30 dB   -17.70 dB      3:23 01-Synchronicity I
DR16      -0.30 dB   -19.73 dB      3:37 02-Walking In Your Footsteps
DR15      -0.30 dB   -17.08 dB      4:02 03-O My God
DR13      -0.30 dB   -14.06 dB      3:06 04-Mother-1
DR15      -0.30 dB   -17.45 dB      2:00 05-Miss Gradenko
DR14      -0.30 dB   -18.05 dB      5:05 06-Synchronicity II
DR15      -0.30 dB   -17.34 dB      4:14 07-Every Breath You Take
DR14      -0.30 dB   -17.28 dB      4:59 08-King Of Pain
DR15      -2.89 dB   -21.81 dB      5:14 09-Wrapped Around Your Finger
DR18      -0.30 dB   -21.89 dB      4:16 10-Tea In The Sahara
DR17      -0.30 dB   -20.55 dB      4:36 11-Murder By Numbers
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks:  11
Official DR value: DR15

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           789 kbps
Codec:             FLAC
================================================================================
 

 

EQ curves that are not included below are okay as is.

Synchronicity I - The Police.XML

Walking in Your Footsteps - The Police.XML

Synchronicity II - The Police.XML

O My God - The Police.XML

Mother - The Police.XML

Miss Gradenko - The Police.XML

King of Pain - The Police.XML

Tea in the Sahara - The Police.XML

Murder by Numbers - The Police.XML

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Here is 30 seconds starting at about 2:55  from Supertramp's "If Everyone Was Listening," comparing the original A&M CD and the 2014 remaster. Two things stand out:

1) It would be a waste of time boosting anything below 40 Hz.

2) The difference between 80s analogue high-pass filtering and modern digital filtering.

 

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Edit: Corrected the track name (It's off "Crime Of The Century"). I was listening to one while writing about the other....

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I used the following EQ curves for that same album - Even in the Quietest Moments by Supertramp (A&M CD 4634) with no change to the last track - "Fool's Overture":

 

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The DR Database log file of the newly restored tracks:

 

foobar2000 1.3.3 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2015-03-17 08:41:57

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Analyzed: Supertramp / Even In The Quietest Moments...
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR14      -0.30 dB   -17.21 dB      4:09 01-Give A Little Bit
DR14      -0.30 dB   -17.26 dB      6:53 02-Lover Boy
DR15      -0.30 dB   -22.01 dB      6:29 03-Even In The Quietest Moments
DR14      -0.30 dB   -19.27 dB      4:04 04-Downstream
DR13      -0.30 dB   -16.44 dB      4:52 05-Babaji
DR14      -0.30 dB   -18.01 dB      6:22 06-From Now On-1
DR13      -2.33 dB   -20.11 dB     10:52 07-Fool's Overture
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks:  7
Official DR value: DR14

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           690 kbps
Codec:             FLAC
================================================================================
 

Give a Little Bit - Supertramp.XML

Loverboy - Supertramp.XML

Even in the Quietest Moments - Supertramp.XML

Downstream - Supertramp.XML

Babaji - Supertramp.XML

From Now On - Supertramp.XML

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Come Away With Me - Norah Jones - a few of the tracks... (Blue Note 7243 5 32088 2 0) --I updated these EQ curves in a later posting.

 

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Keep these coming! I'll get some of them.

Re Harrison Crabfeathers - got it sorted - thanks! - & did an A/B comparison a few hours back. Audirvana - macmini - mytek dac. My Elacs go down to 27Hz (I'll try the stereo subs later on, which go another 10 down). Amp easily deals with it all - goes to 50 W class A (200 W rms)/ 400k microfarads energy storage).

Dunno, ... the extra bottom end is hugely apparent - dramatic at start & then at ~40 secs & then a minute later ~1.40. Just not sure I get that same smooth thru gritty rasp of the strings in the lower mids - presence. Tricky because 1. my room modes! & 2. original is a definite notch up in gain, as the traces show.

Questions on this track etc

- are we 'recovering' info that's in the file or can you add bass wherever, whenever in Audacity? I will re-read earlier discussion.

- does adding this in effect the harmonics further up thru the mid-high frequencies?

- what is the lowest freq now available? My speakers won't get there of course.

Loving the experiment & will keep at it.

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Also, did a DR measurement - the 2006 Wood album is listed as an 8 & the Harrison Crabfeathers track I measured at 7. So fairly hot & you can see that in the traces. The revamped version care of Chris A's preset measured at 12. (& again that is therein the traces & accounts for the drop in gain above). That aspect is certainly a significant change for the better.

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are we 'recovering' info that's in the file or can you add bass wherever, whenever in Audacity?

 

You can recover attenuated frequencies, rebalance frequencies relative to other frequencies, and attenuate frequencies of your own, but you can't make spectral information that's not there unless you add it using some other signal or noise generator to mix into the track.

 

 

 

does adding this affect the harmonics further up thru the mid-high frequencies?

 

Actually the process that I use "rebalances" the frequencies--including harmonics--relative to other frequencies present.  That is why I find the sound of the restored tracks sound more natural than the tracks that come to us from the store on disc, i.e., the ones from the record companies, but not necessarily the artists themselves.  Rebalancing the tracks puts each instrument's harmonics back into balance with all other harmonics for each instrument and voice playing.

 

You can see the frequencies that are boosted and attenuated on the original discs in the frequency spectrum plots - with irregular frequency curves.  It is those curves that I use to restore the tracks back to something natural, especially tracks whose frequencies are deliberately boosted--midrange and high frequencies--or attenuated (bass)--in order to make them sound louder on earbuds, etc.  These unnatural bass level cuts, particularly those below 100 Hz, also typically change DR ratings for the tracks rather significantly, decreasing the DR rating for each track by as much as 6 DR rating points for the track.  The effects of Loudness War compression and spectral shaping on our music tracks is appalling, IMHO, and you'd be very surprised which music is spectrally shaped to cut bass and accentuate midrange and highs.

 

 

 

what is the lowest freq now available?

 

In the Saga of Harrison Crabfeathers track, I see a great deal of spectral information that is below 30 Hz, particularly during the percussive thumping of the strings and the body of the bass instrument by Bromberg as well as the subharmonic echoes in the recording room/studio where the performance(s) were recorded.

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A few tracks from Joe Cocker's Greatest Hits (A&M CD 3257)...

 

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The DR Database log file of the newly restored tracks:

 

foobar2000 1.3.3 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2015-03-17 08:06:07

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Analyzed: Joe Cocker / Greatest Hits (Joe Cocker)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR10      -0.30 dB   -13.85 dB      5:05 01-01 With A Little Help From My Friends
DR14      -0.30 dB   -15.94 dB      4:31 02-02 Woman To Woman
DR14      -0.30 dB   -16.90 dB      3:51 03-03 The Jealous Kind
DR15      -0.30 dB   -17.22 dB      4:39 04-04 Black-Eyed Blues
DR13      -0.30 dB   -16.27 dB      4:02 05-05 I Think It's Going To Rain
DR11      -0.30 dB   -14.94 dB      4:07 06-06 Cry Me A River (Live)
DR12      -0.30 dB   -16.95 dB      2:44 07-07 You Are So Beautiful
DR11      -0.30 dB   -16.43 dB      4:13 08-08 Feeling Alright
DR11      -0.30 dB   -15.29 dB      2:53 09-09 Delta Lady
DR11      -0.30 dB   -13.74 dB      4:45 10-10 Darling Be Home Soon
DR13      -0.30 dB   -15.17 dB      4:29 11-11 High Time We Went
DR12      -0.30 dB   -14.72 dB      4:18 12-12 The Letter (Live)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks:  12
Official DR value: DR12

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           990 kbps
Codec:             FLAC
================================================================================
 

With A Little Help From My Friends - Joe Cocker.XML

Cry Me A River (Live) - Joe Cocker.XML

Felling Alright - Joe Cocker.XML

Delta Lady - Joe Cocker.XML

Darling Be Home Soon - Joe Cocker.XML

High Time We Went - Joe Cocker.XML

The Letter (Live) - Joe Cocker.XML

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Mysterious Traveller - Weather Report (Columbia CK 32494)

 

The DR Database log file of the newly remastered tracks:

 

foobar2000 1.3.3 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2015-03-19 06:43:21

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Analyzed: Weather Report / Mysterious Traveller
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR13      -0.30 dB   -15.54 dB     10:43 01-Nubian Sundance
DR13      -0.30 dB   -18.42 dB      3:42 02-American Tango
DR13      -0.30 dB   -16.01 dB      8:25 03-Cucumber Slumber
DR15      -0.30 dB   -20.96 dB      7:22 04-Mysterious Traveller
DR15      -3.00 dB   -28.17 dB      5:05 05-Blackthorn Rose
DR13      -3.00 dB   -23.38 dB      5:44 06-Scarlet Woman
DR17      -0.30 dB   -24.44 dB      7:23 07-Jungle Book
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks:  7
Official DR value: DR14

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           639 kbps
Codec:             FLAC
================================================================================
 

Nubian Sundance - Weather Report.XML

American Tango - Weather Report.XML

Cucumber Slumber - Weather Report.XML

Mysterious Traveller - Weather Report.XML

Scarlet Woman - Weather Report.XML

Jungle Book - Weather Report.XML

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By the way, it should be noted that any of these EQ curves can be easily altered within Audacity to suit personal needs.  For instance:

 

Adding or subtracting in the 4000-10000 Hz region (as a whole) will increase or decrease the brilliance or liveness,

 

The 100-200 Hz band will increase or decrease the "muddiness", fullness or "tubbiness". 

 

Vocals lie mostly in the 200-700 band (male) and 400-1000 band (female). 

 

Stridency/harshness is found in the 1000-4000 Hz band -- adjust this band carefully.

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Jaco Pastorius (Eponymous album) (Epic EK 33949)

 

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DR Database log file of the newly remastered tracks:

 

foobar2000 1.3.3 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2015-03-19 14:42:18

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Analyzed: Jaco Pastorius / Jaco Pastorius
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR11      -0.30 dB   -16.26 dB      2:27 01-Donna Lee - Jaco Pastorius
DR15      -0.30 dB   -17.12 dB      3:53 02-Come On, Come Over - Jaco Pastorius
DR13      -0.30 dB   -17.57 dB      4:32 03-Continuum - Jaco Pastorius
DR13      -0.30 dB   -16.80 dB      7:41 04-Kuru / Speak Like A Child - Jaco Pastorius
DR13      -7.76 dB   -23.78 dB      2:23 05-Portrait Of Tracy - Jaco Pastorius
DR14      -0.30 dB   -18.49 dB      5:29 06-Opus Pocus - Jaco Pastorius
DR12      -0.30 dB   -14.16 dB      4:25 07-Okonkolé Y Trompa - Jaco Pastorius
DR13      -0.30 dB   -17.08 dB      8:56 08-(Used To Be A) Cha-Cha - Jaco Pastorius
DR12      -0.30 dB   -16.65 dB      2:14 09-Forgotten Love - Jaco Pastorius
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks:  9
Official DR value: DR13

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           812 kbps
Codec:             FLAC
================================================================================
 

Donna Lee - Jaco Pastorious.XML

Come On Come Over - Jaco Pastorious.XML

Continuum - Jaco Pastorious.XML

Kuru-Speak Like a Child - Jaco Pastorious.XML

Portrait of Tracy - Jaco Pastorious.XML

Opus Pocus - Jaco Pastorious.XML

Okonkole y Trompa - Jaco Pastorious.XML

(Used to be) a Cha Cha - Jaco Pastorious.XML

Forgotten Love - Jaco Pastorious.XML

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Three-for-one...and these work for each James Taylor full album:

 

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61JO5hSX8mL._SX300_.jpg One Man Dog (Warner 7599-25933-2)

 

51YxEQQMU7L.jpg Walking Man (Warner 7599-27285-2)

Mud Slide Slim - James Taylor.XML

One Man Dog - James Taylor.XML

Walking Man - James Taylor.XML

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Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles (Parlophone/EMI CDP 7 46442 2)

 

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The DR Database log file of the newly remastered tracks:

 

foobar2000 1.3.3 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2015-03-22 12:49:33

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Analyzed: The Beatles / Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR11      -0.30 dB   -14.62 dB      2:02 01-Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band -Beatles
DR12      -0.30 dB   -13.96 dB      2:44 02-With A Little Help From My Friends -Beatles
DR11      -0.30 dB   -15.39 dB      3:28 03-Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds -Beatles
DR14      -0.30 dB   -18.05 dB      2:48 04-Getting Better
DR13      -0.30 dB   -18.29 dB      2:37 05-Fixing A Hole
DR12      -0.30 dB   -15.83 dB      3:35 06-She's Leaving Home
DR13      -0.30 dB   -16.77 dB      2:37 07-Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite
DR12      -0.30 dB   -17.47 dB      5:05 08-Within You Without You
DR13      -0.30 dB   -17.03 dB      2:38 09-When I'm Sixty-Four
DR11      -0.30 dB   -14.22 dB      2:42 10-Lovely Rita
DR11      -0.30 dB   -14.89 dB      2:41 11-Good Morning Good Morning
DR12      -0.30 dB   -13.62 dB      1:19 12-Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)
DR12      -0.30 dB   -17.86 dB      5:34 13-A Day In The Life
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks:  13
Official DR value: DR12

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           826 kbps
Codec:             FLAC
================================================================================
 

Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club - Beatles.XML

With A Little Help From My Friends - Beatles.XML

Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds - Beatles.XML

Getting Better - Beatles.XML

Fixing A Hole - Beatles.XML

Shes Leaving Home - Beatles.XML

Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite - Beatles.XML

Within You WIthout You - Beatles.XML

When Im Sixty-Four - Beatles.XML

Lovely Rita - Beatles.XML

Good Morning Good Morning - Beatles.XML

Good Morning Good Morning - Beatles.XML

Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club (Reprise) - Beatles.XML

A Day In The Life - Beatles.XML

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