Moderators Youthman Posted January 31, 2015 Moderators Share Posted January 31, 2015 Earlier this week, I purchased a few toys, including 3 Onkyo Receivers. Since my Sherbourn amp has 4 channels that are not working, I unhooked the HK and replaced it with the Onkyo TX-NR1008. This is my first receiver that has Audyssey so I was curious how it compared the room correction for HK and my previous Yamaha. When Audyssey began, the first thing it asked me to do was to adjust my subs to 75db. The meter on the screen was showing 96db so I began turning the volume knob on both subs until I reached 75db. I calibrated for 6 locations which was cool because my HK and my previous Yamaha only calibrates for one location. After the calibration finished, I changed the xover settings for the fronts from 40Hz -50Hz to 80Hz. That's funny because the La Scalas only get down to around 70Hz. Without any additional tweaking, I put in a bluray and noticed there was no bass and I really didn't hear the surrounds at all. So I check the settings and everything was on. When looking at the levels, the La Scalas were bottomed out at -12db (could technically be lower than -12), surrounds were around -6db. So I pull out my SPL Meter to see how Audyssey did with the levels. The front three matched at 80db, all 4 surrounds were around 74db and the sub was terribly low. I'm really surprised to see that it was off by that much. This seems like Deja Vu with EmoQ from the Emotiva UMC-1. Will have to wait until tomorrow to switch over to the HK to do a direct A/B comparison using the internal amps of the HK and Onkyo. I also want to hook up the three working channels of the Sherbourn to the La Scalas to see if the overall sound improves by adding the amp to the equation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Run it a few times to see if it changes. Audyssey is funny with me sometimes. Sometimes it will say speakers are hooked up wrong and sub is out of phase, then I run it again and it changes the readings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Spl meter at c weight for subs? Something tells me your mains are throwing everything out of whack. Way efficient speakers can easily jack audyssey up. Did you move the mic around a whole bunch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted January 31, 2015 Author Moderators Share Posted January 31, 2015 Thx for the suggestion Jim. Scrappy, the SPL Meter is set to "Slow" and "C Weighted" when adjusting levels of all speakers. Is that correct? Mic did not move. It was attached to my camera Tripod, leaning up against seats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBPK402 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I had a similar problem until I went to the small external amps with volume controls... I lowered the gain on each until i got to where Audyssey now only cuts them down about 6db. With the efficiency of the La Scalas you are not going to need a amp bigger than 50wpc IMO if you are mainly watching movies. Your old amp is way overkill. When I bought my first pair of La Scalas the salesman was demoing some lower efficiency speakers with a Phase Linear 700 which was hitting "0" on the peaks.... He switched over to the La Scalas with me standing about 5' in front of them, right when the Golden Earing "Radar Love" song hit the drums! It felt like some one had just punched me in the stomach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBPK402 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 When I run Audyssey... I use all 8 positions but they are about 12-18" from each other (I was told to keep them close and not put them in each seat). I use the 3 in the listening position, 3 in front of the listening position, and 2 behind the listening position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Way efficient speakers can easily jack audyssey up. Very very true. If I had to guess, Audyssey engineers most likely used a moderately efficient speaker configuration, maybe 91dB, as a template during the R&D process. Kind of an average of the many consumer speakers available. Super efficient speakers seem to throw a serious curve ball at Audyssey. Note: This is only speculation. Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I had the same issue on my Onkyo when I would set the sub to 75db. Disregard that setting and set the gain to whatever makes your subs within +/- 2db on the trim levels. everything else should balance out from there. In my case, that meant barely moving the gain knob off 0 for the sub amp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 also, make sure you using all of the measurement spots and following the audyssey guide for their order. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted January 31, 2015 Author Moderators Share Posted January 31, 2015 also, make sure you using all of the measurement spots and following the audyssey guide for their order. Is the guide for the order in the manual? It just said, "Position 1", Position 2 etc to Position 6. My order was... 1st - Front Middle Seat 2nd - Front Right Seat 3rd - Front Left Seat 4th - Rear Right Seat 5th - Rear Middle Seat 6th - Rear Left Seat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 do your best considering it's not a couch in your scenario. http://www.audyssey.com/technologies/multeq/how-to 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBPK402 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 also, make sure you using all of the measurement spots and following the audyssey guide for their order. Is the guide for the order in the manual? It just said, "Position 1", Position 2 etc to Position 6. My order was... 1st - Front Middle Seat 2nd - Front Right Seat 3rd - Front Left Seat 4th - Rear Right Seat 5th - Rear Middle Seat 6th - Rear Left Seat You are measuring too far apart... I would say no more than 2' max for the furthest measurement from the MLP (in all directions). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBPK402 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) do your best considering it's not a couch in your scenario. http://www.audyssey.com/technologies/multeq/how-to That must be for the pro version as the normal version only has 8 points. Edited January 31, 2015 by ellisr63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 It should be applicable for all versions, just start at 1 and go as far as yours supports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted January 31, 2015 Author Moderators Share Posted January 31, 2015 Cool, I didn't do it that way. I'm ok optimizing for the front 3 seats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBPK402 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) Go here.... http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/795421-official-audyssey-thread-faq-post-51779-a-191.html#post14456895 . Look at the Audyssey Setup guide... It will be on page 7 of the guide. You pick the red and green points for a 8 point setup. I tried the setup the way you did and it isn't even close to the way mine is now. By keeping all the points close the sound is much more even across the seating area, and the MLP is way better than by going with the mic at each seating position. In my situation I even went tighter on the mic positions... I centered the MLP on the center cushion, and then put the mic at the edge of the cushion to the side for each side measurement. I had read somewhere that a tight mic pattern is better with Audyssey, and I have to agree it sounds much more even across the other seats this way. Edited January 31, 2015 by ellisr63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBPK402 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 It should be applicable for all versions, just start at 1 and go as far as yours supports. I posted the link for the complete setup guide from AVS... it is a little different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBPK402 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 BTW: make sure the mic is above your seat back even if the MLP is lower. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted January 31, 2015 Author Moderators Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) THX it was. See attached photo Edited January 31, 2015 by Youthman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) i see nothing EDIT: now i see dead people Edited January 31, 2015 by Scrappydue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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