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Mark, without addressing any of your well thought out points, watch the movie.  It is very thought provoking and offers up scenarios that address your statements and others that don't but are fascinating to thing about.  It's about 2 and a half hours long.  I'm glad I watched it at home as opposed to a theater as we could break whenever we wanted to.

 

The IB got to stretch it's legs as well.  There were a few times that the couch was vibrating and you could barely hear any bass.  There must be some good 20Hz and below stuff in several spots.

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I really felt I was writing something there :lol: once I get start writing I cant stop til its done then sometimes I post and sometimes I dont :lol: To be honest I cant say what I really think. Ironically recently had a dream that was so relevant to this topic.

 

Sounds like ordering interstellar is a must. Im still tuning a bit with the new receiver but I know what has to be done just a couple new wires/amps. I'll certainly look forward to it! :)

 

A good Hope conversation over a beer will be fun! :D

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Beeker, the leaving too soon thing is almost a certainty.  The first interstellar ships were designed as multi-generational ships by the British Interplanetary Society back in the 50s.  They were designed to be huge and comfortable, equipped with adequate space and technology for families to live out their lives on the trip.

 

One of the golden age writers, can't recall which one, seized on the idea and wrote a great short story where, 90 years or so into such a trip, it's interrupted by FTL ships from...Earth. 

 

Makes sense, and may be prophetic.

 

Dave

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Wow.  Just finished Interstellar.  Pretty much the best thing philosophically since 2001, A Space Odyssey.  Much to think about.

 

Had me from the line about "The earth has been telling us for some time it's time to leave." 

 

Dave 

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Wow. Just finished Interstellar.

 

I knew you'd like it.

 

I always know when I've seen a good movie.  I normally wake up the next morning still thinking about it.

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Did you notice the repeated organ chord that is PRECISELY the chord that ends the Strauss fanfare?  Clear homage to 2001!

 

Dave

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Did you notice the repeated organ chord that is PRECISELY the chord that ends the Strauss fanfare?  Clear homage to 2001!

 

Dave

 

 

Actually, I did not.  Very cool.

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Beeker, the leaving too soon thing is almost a certainty.  The first interstellar ships were designed as multi-generational ships by the British Interplanetary Society back in the 50s.  They were designed to be huge and comfortable, equipped with adequate space and technology for families to live out their lives on the trip.

 

One of the golden age writers, can't recall which one, seized on the idea and wrote a great short story where, 90 years or so into such a trip, it's interrupted by FTL ships from...Earth. 

 

Makes sense, and may be prophetic.

 

Dave

I cannot recall crossing such a read. Nice to know. What I wrote was between what I believe from reading and experience in combination. These such journeys are simply inevitable.

 

We bought interstellar and will watch soon as well. Hope to watch before leaving for Hope. There is excitement in the house about it.

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If we weren't meant to move into space why did she endow us with the means to do so? 
 I’ll disagree with you on this statement…we surely don’t want to apply that logic to the atomic bomb or any of the biological weapons that man has created.  

Eventually, the same issues we wrestle with here we will wrestle with anywhere. We can’t escape ourselves…and we’re the problem.

Ain’t I a ray of sunshine?

But, i do love space. I’ve spent hours with my eye to a telescopic just marveling. 

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That's is a nice statement stewman. I completely appreciate that entire statement. As much as I rather not admit there are far to many fundamental prerequisites to endure upon earth between now and the day that this should happen.

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As much as I rather not admit

I applaud you Beeker.   We're better men when we can admit that we don’t know everything and, even harder for some, that we’ve screwed up so many things.  Kinda like maxing out your credit card and thinking that you can be responsible with a second one.  

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As much as I rather not admit

I applaud you Beeker.   We're better men when we can admit that we don’t know everything and, even harder for some, that we’ve screwed up so many things.  Kinda like maxing out your credit card and thinking that you can be responsible with a second one.  

 

Exactly. Excellent analogy Stew. Living as a minimalist is the best thing I have ever done. Excessiveness has to have a limit for any and everybody. Sad to say that fraud and kindness have such a thin line at/of determining separation these days. There is good and there is bad and the good can be bad and bad can be good. Truth and honor with health as one in all of humanity must be met before actual realization and true exception to complete any such task as the titled journey etc...is truly 100% even considerably possible. To do the title as stated and thereon and beyond we must take care of ourselves with the earth 100% to therefore use our complete ability to do the title and beyond. Its like unlocking a door properly with a key. Humanity has not created a key then to properly unlock the space that lies beyond us. If it is done in the next 100 years we will not do it correctly just as I see we have not done everything technologically and above correctly as to this date and repercussions and the non ability to do what is beyond our earth and into the solar system will be with limits. We have a long way to go to truly harness 100% of the mind and body of all humanity and all that lies within and around. This would be step one etc etc

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I think I will watch this. But I can't think of a single reason we should "leave earth."

 

Good thing nature is smarter than you.  Outside of religion, man has precisely one role to perform: Reproduce as much as possible then die in order to improve the species.  I know that will create a howl of "Noooooo...." from many but that is how I see it when it's all boiled down without religion involved.   

 

If that is true and there is no "Greater" meaning to life, then some will have a stronger instinct to survive than others.  They will see this planet as a deathtrap for any expanding species with only finite room for evolution. 

 

That is why action WILL be taken to increase our "lebensraum", and the only reason it will not is if homo sapiens is at the end of its usefulness to the universe and simply doesn't care anymore. 

 

Dave

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I think I will watch this. But I can't think of a single reason we should "leave earth."

"Should" and "need" are a lot different than the curiosity that fuels exploration. Is there anything wrong with wanting to explore?

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Leaving earth being an improvement? Absolutely. Just one look at the pacific ocean. Its the most despicable/disgraceful representation of what humanity can do with what we currently have. And beyond that the exploration of the waters in particular the deep oceans of the earth are minimal at best. We can ever so possibly learn so much more by making Earth a more sustainable and inhabitable place rather than any such titled exploration beyond Earth.

 

What we know now of the moon and what we have grasped with the Mars rover is good enough for a very good amount of time. For the sake of humanity the billions of dollars in cost is much more effective using the depths of the oceans to explore with usefulness before continuing to the heights throughout space and or deep space. Exploring the ocean depths to a much larger entirety will provide a greater ability to gain possible activity in further range beyond Earth. As well as maintaining trash and pollution and providing humanity with greater liveliness. Going elsewhere beforehand will only spread human waste.

 

We are disgusting even considering explorations if we cannot maintain an equally great existence for all humanity on Earth. Nonetheless once these tasks are rendered successful 100% or very close to there space exploration may be deemed necessary.

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For everyone over 50, going thur a worm/black hole may put a littel spring back in your step, lol.

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He seems to argue that leaving earth is an imperative to Man's destiny.

 

Not destiny, survival.  How anybody can believe the "sustainability" nonsense without assuming a complete re-engineering of homo sapiens is beyond me. "Destiny" has nothing to do with anything.

 

Our future is either to run out of supplies and die in our own waste, or get more.  I have yet to hear an argument that we can get along without resources, especially the ones in short supply already upon which our civilization is totally reliant.  Oh, I am sure will find more. 

 

Betting on the come...

 

Dave

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Reproduce as much as possible then die in order to improve the species.

 

That's not working well in India and China.

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Our future is either to run out of supplies and die in our own waste, or get more.

 

....or change our lifestyle. But in all reality the environment pressures will force lifestyle change at some point. Americans believe that consumption and materialism brings us maximal joy. Someday we'll learn that isn't the case, but that gets into philosophy and religion.

 

In the longer term our sun is supposed to turn into a Red Giant, so that'll be interesting to live with all that extra heat. I think it would make sense to find another habitat before that happens...

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