RCB1725 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Greetings Klipsch owners, I could use some advice from those more knowledgable than myself. My current speakers are the original RF-42 for fronts..the RC-42 for the center..the newer RS 42ii for the surrounds and a single KW-100 subwoofer. My current power source is a Denon AVR-591. I live in an apartment and find this is just right for my setting. The advice I am seeking is in regards to setting the crossover frequency in the Denon. I have set all speakers as "small" and am in the process of trying to figure out what frequency to set the...fronts/center/and surrounds to.The Denon allows me to set each individule speaker. The settings I have to choose from are as follows. 40Hz...60Hz...80Hz...90Hz...100Hz...110Hz...120Hz...150Hz...200Hz...250Hz. Tell you the truth....Im lost and am hoping to get some ideas on where to venture from here. I just upgraded to the Denon from a receiver that didnt have as many options as this one does. The instruction manual just gives numbers without an explaination of what the numbers actually mean. It goes without saying that Im a new-B and will appreciate any advice available to me. Much obliged, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) ...The advice I am seeking is in regards to setting the crossover frequency in the Denon. I have set all speakers as "small" and am in the process of trying to figure out what frequency to set the...fronts/center/and surrounds to.The Denon allows me to set each individule speaker. The settings I have to choose from are as follows. 40Hz...60Hz...80Hz...90Hz...100Hz...110Hz...120Hz...150Hz...200Hz...250Hz. ... Start out with a crossover of 80 Hz (pretty much the standard) for the right and left front, 80 or 90 for your center and surrounds, then move the crossovers up and down and see how they sound. Do you have Audyssey on your Denon? Most Audyssey configurations will measure the lowest frequency each of your speakers will do well (in their current position in your particular room) and tell you that somewhere on an AVR screen. That figure is based on the 3 dB down point (aka F3). Most people do not recommend going below 80, if you like your subwoofer. Some centers and surrounds do a bad job with 80, and should be set at 90, 100, 110, or 120, but Audyssey will probably tell you that, if you have it. Edited February 26, 2015 by Garyrc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCB1725 Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 Appreciate the response Garyrc. Ive since changed surrounds and subwoofer. I did use the Audyssey in my initial set up but was hoping to do it manually this time. Those settings you mentioned are a fine starting point. It did mention in the manual that if components were changed from the initial set up it would be necessary to recallibrate everything once again. Thanks for the tips I have to week end to putz around with these settings and fine tune it from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNRET Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Do you have a SPL (sound pressure level) meter and a tape measure? If so use manual mode and set all levels equally at your sweet spot and then monkey with the crossovers; set manual levels again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) I did use the Audyssey in my initial set up but was hoping to do it manually this time. I prefer the job Audyssey does in my room. It does it better than the best manual setup I've been able to achieve. One reason may be that it EQs at hundreds of points, rather than the few (9 to 40 or so) frequency bands available with most graphic or parametric equalizers. It also measures and takes into account the delay in my subwoofer, which I wouldn't know how to measure manually. When I directly compare (by switching) Audyssey FLAT to Audyssey to Manual to bypass, either Audyssey FLAT or Audyssey (reference) sound better by far than Manual (with my best effort) or bypass. The sound is clearer and more musical. All this doesn't mean I don't tweak a little. Like most people, I turn up the sub a little bit after the Audyssey calibration. In addition, with some program material, I go to the true tone controls and boost the bass by up to 6 dB. I say "true" tone controls, because they aren't the graphic equalizers with several sliders, but a smooth, gradual boost or cut in bass or treble only. BEWARE the virtual graphic equalizers because in most AVRs and pre/pros the graphic equalizers turn Audyssey off. The broad bass or treble controls do not, and altering the trim on the subwoofer does not. If there is any doubt, check to see if the Audyssey MULTIEQ light on your AVR is still on (if you have one). If the light is on, Audyssey is on. Also beware the copy function. It provides only a very crude copy of Audyssey's corrections. Some people think that it should not have been included on AVRs, and I agree. It would have been O.K. if it copied the Audyssey correction curve in detail, across the hundreds of points, but it doesn't. Edited February 27, 2015 by Garyrc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 I have the rf-42ii home theater myself and I cross all the speakers at 80 hz. It's a great little home theater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCB1725 Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 Im afraid I posted the wrong series of Klipsch speakers I have. The ones I have are the RF3 for the fronts and the center channel is the RC3. I upgraded my surrounds to the RS42II and the sub to the KW100. I dont have the instruction manuals anymore for the RF3 or the RC3 and thats why I was inquiring about the crossovers. I have set them manually to 80Hz as a starting point and they sound fine. Just enough bass for my accoustic Jazz. Miles, Coltrane and Zoot sound great through the horns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuBXeRo Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 when i owned those speakers, i kept the center at 80hz and left the towers on full range 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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