DizRotus Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Time ran out on the Chieftain and other Pontiacs. Did you know that Pontiac Bonnevilles in 1957 & 1958 could be had with Rochester fuel injection, similar to that on Chevrolets? 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 One of my favorite Pontiacs belonged to the brother-in-law of one of my best friends. He always had cool cars and motorcycles. His black 63 Grand Prix with 421 tri-power, 4-speed, posi and 8 lug wheels was my favorite. It looked like this. In an attempt to keep Dave's thread on topic, as much as I enjoy cars, autonomous vehicles can't get here soon enough. The savings in lives, time and resources will be immense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 1 hour ago, DizRotus said: In an attempt to keep Dave's thread on topic, as much as I enjoy cars, autonomous vehicles can't get here soon enough. The savings in lives, time and resources will be immense. Breaking with tradition? It is a natural progression to go from boring to well, at the least, more interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted May 16, 2017 Author Share Posted May 16, 2017 The more I've thought about it, the more I realize how they are going about readying us. A significant share of vehicles in the normal price range now offer assisted backup, lane assist, auto braking, pedestrian alerts, and other components of a true AV. These serve as training tools to get owners to trust them. Further, it allows the builders to continue to refine software and systems with minimum liability as the driver still is supposed to be fully responsible and is required to be ensured. There is no doubt in my mind that full AV systems are already much safer than humans, but not good enough for the builders to be ready to assume liability and release the driver. When it happens, it will largely be simply connecting the systems that have already been proven by drivers and many, perhaps even a majority, of the vehicles will already have on board into a unified system. Granted, one or more may "jump the gun" and go it on their own. But most will wait on each other and build confidence before accepting responsibility. While I'd like to see it happen quicker, I certainly would endorse this system if I were an auto executive. Reasonable and prudent. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 On 5/11/2017 at 5:06 PM, DizRotus said: In an attempt to keep Dave's thread on topic, as much as I enjoy cars, autonomous vehicles can't get here soon enough. The savings in lives, time and resources will be immense. So the cars that run on ethanol will be pulled over for DWI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Mallette said: driver still is supposed to be fully responsible and is required to be ensured. Only the old retired ones need ensure-ance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted May 16, 2017 Moderators Share Posted May 16, 2017 Even though I don't like the idea of autonomous cars I voted for them, can't be much worse than a texting driver. sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted May 17, 2017 Moderators Share Posted May 17, 2017 12 hours ago, Mallette said: The more I've thought about it, the more I realize how they are going about readying us. A significant share of vehicles in the normal price range now offer assisted backup, lane assist, auto braking, pedestrian alerts, and other components of a true AV. These serve as training tools to get owners to trust them. Further, it allows the builders to continue to refine software and systems with minimum liability as the driver still is supposed to be fully responsible and is required to be ensured. There is no doubt in my mind that full AV systems are already much safer than humans, but not good enough for the builders to be ready to assume liability and release the driver. When it happens, it will largely be simply connecting the systems that have already been proven by drivers and many, perhaps even a majority, of the vehicles will already have on board into a unified system. Granted, one or more may "jump the gun" and go it on their own. But most will wait on each other and build confidence before accepting responsibility. While I'd like to see it happen quicker, I certainly would endorse this system if I were an auto executive. Reasonable and prudent. Dave Congress can give them tort immunity as part of their seeking approval to mass market them. Then it goes through the gauntlet of special interests and what pops out the other end is anyone's guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 8 hours ago, dwilawyer said: what pops out the other end is anyone's guess. I think we all know what pops out the other end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 8 hours ago, dwilawyer said: Congress can give them tort immunity as part of their seeking approval to mass market them. Well, you are the lawyer...but I can't see tort immunity holding up in court as somebody has to be responsible and the "driver" can't be held so given he has no control. However, I suppose it could be argued that since, even in a less than perfect form, AV's will be so much safer that it remains in society's best interest. As you say, the outcome will be interesting. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 53 minutes ago, oldtimer said: I think we all know what pops out the other end. Yes, it's what always pops out the other end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Mallette said: Well, you are the lawyer...but I can't see tort immunity holding up in court as somebody has to be responsible and the "driver" can't be held so given he has no control. However, I suppose it could be argued that since, even in a less than perfect form, AV's will be so much safer that it remains in society's best interest. As you say, the outcome will be interesting. Dave Big Tobacco got Congressional immunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted May 18, 2017 Moderators Share Posted May 18, 2017 13 hours ago, Mallette said: Well, you are the lawyer...but I can't see tort immunity holding up in court as somebody has to be responsible and the "driver" can't be held so given he has no control. However, I suppose it could be argued that since, even in a less than perfect form, AV's will be so much safer that it remains in society's best interest. As you say, the outcome will be interesting. Dave Congress can easily grant tort immunity. They did it as part of Tobacco Settlement, and there are many, many other examples. The question is will they pass it to prevent a barrier to the technology or speed the transition. We live in a capitalist economy, the market isn't concerned with what is in society's best interest. Public policy is set by legislation and regulation. Hence the need for FDA, USDA, EPA, FCC, etc. Seat belts and airbags are in society's best interest but had to be mandated. When they are ready to get cars to market they will either have to go state by state (very slow) or get Congress to preempt the field of regulation and open it up is mass. Auto safety is one area that Congress has preempted. I think that your idea about the convenience and added productivity is what will initially drive the sales on AVs. It will be a luxury item at first and will catch on. How fast will be a function of the regulations and laws surrounding it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 8 hours ago, dwilawyer said: I think that your idea about the convenience and added productivity is what will initially drive the sales on AVs. The components are already mainstream. I think the "luxury" period will be brief as people quickly learn that, besides the productivity and convenience, they are far safer for children and loved ones. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted May 18, 2017 Moderators Share Posted May 18, 2017 9 hours ago, Mallette said: The components are already mainstream. I think the "luxury" period will be brief as people quickly learn that, besides the productivity and convenience, they are far safer for children and loved ones. Dave I meant a Level 4 or 5 car. Those will be a "luxury" item in areas they can be approved initially. The "luxury period" will depend on the cost (including any insurance savings or added costs), patents/IP (whether there is competition and how much), and whether there are tax incentives or disincentives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted May 18, 2017 Moderators Share Posted May 18, 2017 Nice article about Audi: Level 3 now, 3 to 5K for 35mph or less conditions which would be nice. Level 4 in 2020 http://www.autonews.com/article/20170105/OEM06/170109920/audi-plans-to-debut-autonomous-car-in-2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtmudd Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 they should advertise no more dwi's.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 stay out of jail insurance, and stay out of grave insurance for the innocent. I like the way you think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I wonder if you purchase a sports car if they have a button you can push that says to drive like a race car driver so I can get home fast. Another button for peeling rubber. Another one to purposely tailgate. I can see the aftermarket chip suppliers going bananas. JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, JJkizak said: I wonder if you purchase a sports car if they have a button you can push that says to drive like a race car driver so I can get home fast. Another button for peeling rubber. Another one to purposely tailgate. JJK You mean the Dodge Ram driver version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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