PrestonTom Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) My guess is that John's recommendations were constrained by a number of obstacles. I assume that the footprint and WAF were high on the list as well as a turnkey system using new and low-maintenance components (perhaps room placement also). With a budget of 20K, then Palladiums are off the list. The room placement (if that was a factor) would eliminate the K-Horns. As for Cornwalls, many folks feel these are just too large for a living room (not that I agree, but many are bothered by their size) As far as tubes, then many folks perceive tube equipment as either temperamental or high maintenance (whether this is actually true or not, the belief is real for many folks). As with most decisions, there are probably many, many other factors that were stated and that needed to be weighed. Edited March 22, 2015 by PrestonTom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptorman Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 My guess is that John's recommendations were constrained by a number of obstacles. I assume that the footprint and WAF were high on the list as well as a turnkey system using new and low-maintenance components (perhaps room placement also). With a budget of 20K, then Palladiums are off the list. The room placement (if that was a factor) would eliminate the K-Horns. As for Cornwalls, many folks feel these are just too large for a living room (not that I agree, but many are bothered by their size) As far as tubes, then many folks perceive tube equipment as either temperamental or high maintenance (whether this is actually true or not, the belief is real for many folks). As with most decisions, there are probably many, many other factors that were stated and that needed to be weighed. The P37 Palladium are the same price as the OP's choice….8k msrp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestonTom Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 My guess is that John's recommendations were constrained by a number of obstacles. I assume that the footprint and WAF were high on the list as well as a turnkey system using new and low-maintenance components (perhaps room placement also). With a budget of 20K, then Palladiums are off the list. The room placement (if that was a factor) would eliminate the K-Horns. As for Cornwalls, many folks feel these are just too large for a living room (not that I agree, but many are bothered by their size) As far as tubes, then many folks perceive tube equipment as either temperamental or high maintenance (whether this is actually true or not, the belief is real for many folks). As with most decisions, there are probably many, many other factors that were stated and that needed to be weighed. The P37 Palladium are the same price as the OP's choice….8k msrp. Correct. It was a force of habit and I was thinking of the P39 as the Palladium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) Speakers: B&W Diamond 804 $7500/pr. Total $16,700. How did I do? You did great, if this was the B&W discussion forum! I'm not a big fan of the B&W 804's, they are a little thin on top. How about a pair of Palladium P-37's for the L/R? That is $8,000 for the pair and it gives the good doctor really nice options if he wants to upgrade to a full home theater setup in the future. http://www.klipsch.com/p-37f-floorstanding-speaker/details Edited March 22, 2015 by wvu80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 & if the WAF kills big k-horns. how about palladiums? That's what I thought….trade in the B&K for P37s. If I had read past Post #1, I wouldn't have had to make my own post, I just could have "liked" your posts! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eth2 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) VRD Monos - $3,500 NBS Preamp - $2,200 VPI Scout II TT w/ Ortofon 2m Black - $3,600 Klipschorn (2009's) - $9,000 Wyred 4 Sound 2 DAC - $2,500 Jolida hot rodded CD player $1,500 Various interconnects - $2,000 total - $24,300. Special, today only, $20,000! Edited March 22, 2015 by eth2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) No doubt that is a fine list list Earl, but where is he going to find someone dumb enough who would sell those rare 2009 K-horns for only $9,000? Most people who own those know what they're worth. You've got to start thinking things through... Edited March 22, 2015 by wvu80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptorman Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 & if the WAF kills big k-horns. how about palladiums? That's what I thought….trade in the B&K for P37s. If I had read past Post #1, I wouldn't have had to make my own post, I just could have "liked" your posts! You did such a good job I "liked" 3 of your posts! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 & if the WAF kills big k-horns. how about palladiums? That's what I thought….trade in the B&K for P37s. If I had read past Post #1, I wouldn't have had to make my own post, I just could have "liked" your posts! You did such a good job I "liked" 3 of your posts! It looks like our posts got cross-threaded, again! (Dave Mallete was made to suffer ingloriously for his hilarious cross threaded post a couple of days ago when he posted that he was locking a controversial thread that was no more than basketball talk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eth2 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 No doubt that is a fine list list Earl, but where is he going to find someone dumb enough who would sell those rare 2009 K-horns for only $9,000? Most people who own those know what they're worth. You've got to start thinking things through... Dave, You know me...generous to a fault. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Everybody says you're a fine fellow Earl, everybody. So...does this mean you're taking me up on my offer to safeguard your K-horns at my house, pending their sale for $9,000? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eth2 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Everybody says you're a fine fellow Earl, everybody. So...does this mean you're taking me up on my offer to safeguard your K-horns at my house, pending their sale for $9,000? Absolutely, as long as you move out, pay the mortgage, utilities, etc., and I move in. When is the transfer date?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Warren Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) Note that the end users are both he and his wife. She's very excited about getting a new system and is interested in ease use, appearance in the living room. I also think women, in general, have better hearing then men especially in the upper octaves so freedom from distortion in the high frequency ranges is important. Apparently, she buys most of the new music. He listens to the same 30 CDs he bought in dental school. We're not dealing with audio-types at all, tubes are out. Ease of use was emphasized a couple of times as was "quality" of hardware. The MA6600 is, for all intents and purposes, a top-tier receiver with the AM/FM HD module plug-in. It's bullet, idiot and goof proof. From my own personal experience with it, it's faultless and something I'd show to an alien being of superior intellect as an example of how mankind solved the audio amplifier "problem". I suggested the B&Ws because they're basically neutral (flat). When I first spent time with them , I was blasé about them. As my ears "broke in" and I spent more time with them I liked them and would recommend them. The hardware I suggested allows for purchase of a reasonable sub-woofer which I suggested he might want after living with the system given the 804 are a wee bit "thin" in the lowest end. Edited March 22, 2015 by John Warren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Warren Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 My guess is that John's recommendations were constrained by a number of obstacles. I assume that the footprint and WAF were high on the list as well as a turnkey system using new and low-maintenance components (perhaps room placement also). As with most decisions, there are probably many, many other factors that were stated and that needed to be weighed. Yes sir, you're spot on. It's important that his wife sees this as a positive experience and not an exercise in self-indulgence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Warren Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 How did I do? ...a word DISAPPOINTED!!! Now that's harsh! (but I like your "spunk") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 John, your friend is lucky to have a friend like you doing some advising. He is so clear about his and his wife's goals, combined with your obvious expertise, I'm sure he is going to end up with a dynamite system. Since he's spending this much money, I might suggest you go ahead and firm up the hardware purchase decisions and get that installed. Then arrange to have several sets of speakers auditioned in his house. That is when he and his wife will be able to make the best decision on what looks good and what sounds good. The Wife Approval Factor is not overrated. +++ I am not trying to sell any gear, and I really don't care which brand he ends up with, but you might want to know that Klipsch offers a 30-day trial on new purchases. http://www.klipsch.com/cart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Warren Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 I like all of your comments. If someone asked me the same I would say, "Lets spend a day or two, and go to some local shops and listen to gear together and talk about gear". If he is serious about spending that kind of money he really needs to listen. That's my feeling because I really like interacting and talking with people. Bob Bob-I did recommend that he become familiar with what's out there and make an effort to audition gear. I invited him to see the MA6600 I've got here too. I'm using them with a pair of Large Advents (in Walnut veneer) that my wife picked up in a yard-sale that I refurbished (I'm currently in a state of audiophile rebellion). At least he can see the amp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBPK402 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) Personally I have never cared for the B&W line... I would go Martin Logan or Klipsch.. Edited March 22, 2015 by ellisr63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible Nectar Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Khorns, Cornwalls or RF7-IIs depending on wife factor VRD's NBS Preamplifier if at some point he might use Vinyl Decent CD player as a transport Decent quality DAC with extra line level inputs and remote control Countless reasonably good tuners... Would easily be less then 20K and sound like 50K or better of course my opinion might be a bit slanted! He might be biased, but I'm not . Klipschorns, assuming proper corners are available. If not, Belle Klipsch or LaScala plus horn loaded sub (Tuba?) ($4K for nice used, can even allow for top section and network modifications at $8K total) VRDs ($3K) NBS preamp ($3K with the options I would choose) Ah! Njoe Tjoeb 4000 ($1.7K loaded) McIntosh MR71 ($1.5K minty) Thorens TD124 (3K with SME or Michell tonearm plus cartridge). Yours for the low price of $20,200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbtwsp Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I like all of your comments. If someone asked me the same I would say, "Lets spend a day or two, and go to some local shops and listen to gear together and talk about gear". If he is serious about spending that kind of money he really needs to listen. That's my feeling because I really like interacting and talking with people. Bob Bob-I did recommend that he become familiar with what's out there and make an effort to audition gear. I invited him to see the MA6600 I've got here too. I'm using them with a pair of Large Advents (in Walnut veneer) that my wife picked up in a yard-sale that I refurbished (I'm currently in a state of audiophile rebellion). At least he can see the amp. John, That's great that you have taken the time to help him make an informed decision. Although I probably don't know as much as some here, I none the less enjoy talking and learning. I think when we share it makes things more enjoyable. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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