Max2 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I like this thread and I hope it stays "unlocked". Its about time more folks became aware of how different caps can and will change the sound coming from your drivers and I'm not talking about changing the style or topo of the network, but actually just changing the capacitors and maybe the inductors. I am on my third round of custom networks and not to sound like a cheerleader, I'm going to keep the builders name out for now, but we all know who does the real custom "art" work around here. I have gone from an Audyn/Dayton (budget) build to a Audiocap Theta (foil) cap build and I am finally springing for a Jupiter flat stack build. Im not going to bore anyone with the details and the improvements, but its exactly what you're going to get more of, "details". If I wasn't hearing a definite improvement in each step up, I would dang sure be adding the cash for a new amp or pre purchase instead. Im pretty sure there is room for improvements on any network any Klipsch offering comes stock with. If its a Heritage speaker you own and you're a critical listener, Hi res files, multi channel audio or LP's, you owe it to your ears and the speakers to hear what you have been missing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjai18 Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) I like this thread and I hope it stays "unlocked". Its about time more folks became aware of how different caps can and will change the sound coming from your drivers and I'm not talking about changing the style or topo of the network, but actually just changing the capacitors and maybe the inductors. I am on my third round of custom networks and not to sound like a cheerleader, I'm going to keep the builders name out for now, but we all know who does the real custom "art" work around here. I have gone from an Audyn/Dayton (budget) build to a Audiocap Theta (foil) cap build and I am finally springing for a Jupiter flat stack build. Im not going to bore anyone with the details and the improvements, but its exactly what you're going to get more of, "details". If I wasn't hearing a definite improvement in each step up, I would dang sure be adding the cash for a new amp or pre purchase instead. Im pretty sure there is room for improvements on any network any Klipsch offering comes stock with. If its a Heritage speaker you own and you're a critical listener, Hi res files, multi channel audio or LP's, you owe it to your ears and the speakers to hear what you have been missing. I'd say I agree, but then you already know that. Amen, brotha! Edited March 30, 2015 by ninjai18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjai18 Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) This truly is a great community of folks who share a similar passion for audio. Differences of opinion are welcomed as it would be pretty boring if we all felt the same way. We just have to be careful that we don't come across as argumentative. Glad to see it all working out Now this I can totally agree with! Edited March 30, 2015 by ninjai18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 and I am finally springing for a Jupiter flat stack build. you might want to check with "he who shall not be named".. he recently posted on Facebook that Jupiter flat stacks (in the values suitable for Heritage builds) are NLA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjai18 Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 What's NLA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 No Longer Available 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) I am going to start looking over seas for sources... maybe Vietnam. Edited March 30, 2015 by Schu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 and I am finally springing for a Jupiter flat stack build. you might want to check with "he who shall not be named".. he recently posted on Facebook that Jupiter flat stacks (in the values suitable for Heritage builds) are NLA. Maybe Max2 was already in the queue with Mr Noname and he already has his unobtaniums. Just sayin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 and I am finally springing for a Jupiter flat stack build. you might want to check with "he who shall not be named".. he recently posted on Facebook that Jupiter flat stacks (in the values suitable for Heritage builds) are NLA. Maybe Max2 was already in the queue with Mr Noname and he already has his unobtaniums. Just sayin. very good point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max2 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) We had this discussion. Well let me go ahead and fix this...... Dean and I talked to Jupiter about the "replacement" they are coming out with. Having said that, I hope he found a source on them or I need to get my nose to the ground on the hunt. I think I just found a somewhat local source that is showing them in stock, but it could be dated. Edited March 30, 2015 by Max2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) Some of these comments are in reference to some of the things stated in the other thread: On many of the Klipsch schematics, it is stated that the parts are measured while on the PCB. That means that proximity effect, or mutual inductance -- is factored in, or part of the design. This is why I tell people not to mess with the coils. When you change their position or relationship to each other, you change the modeled behavior of the network. Klipsch has to meet price points. They're also very aware that 99% of their customers are primarily using these loudspeakers to listen to bullets whizzing by and explosions. Most within the HT community are not critical listeners like some in the 2-channel community are. Even within the 2-channel community, I'm learning that the critical listening experience is dying a slow and painful death. That's not a slam, that's just the way it is. Now, that doesn't mean there aren't HT listeners who don't care about the sound, they do, they're just not as picky about it. The point here is that Klipsch probably wouldn't be making the wisest of business decisions if they built crossovers to appease 1% or less of listeners. Everyone here knows that better parts result in an improvement of the sound. What we disagree on is at what point does it not make a difference, and are some parts really "better" than others. Edited April 9, 2015 by Crankysoldermeister 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjai18 Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 Hmm, still interested in seeing some internal pics. It's like buying a car without looking at the engine to me. I would really love to see those crossovers and drivers, and even the bracing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 buy some and tear them apart? i have some i'll sell you. haven't even opened them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K5SS Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I bought my new car without looking at the engine and it still makes me smile every time I get into it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjai18 Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 buy some and tear them apart? i have some i'll sell you. haven't even opened them. Hmm, I may do this. Coming into some money end of next month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Its about time more folks became aware of how different caps can and will change the sound coming from your drivers and I'm not talking about changing the style or topo of the network, but actually just changing the capacitors and maybe the inductors. I'm pretty ignorant about what makes a high quality cap. I've heard that some have a shorter life, and some get resistive with age. Is the difference in caps of the same value a fairly recent thing, due to new cap technology? I vaguely remember PWK writing that he didn't care what caps were made out of -- even whiskey bottles would do -- if they had the right values. If someone buys a second hand speaker that is fairly old, nearly everyone advises that the caps be changed. Is there a predictable, subjective change in sound that replacing caps would make? Would a speaker with new caps sound brighter, or duller, or what? Or, is it unpredictable, and depends on location in the circuit or ______? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjai18 Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 Its about time more folks became aware of how different caps can and will change the sound coming from your drivers and I'm not talking about changing the style or topo of the network, but actually just changing the capacitors and maybe the inductors. I'm pretty ignorant about what makes a high quality cap. I've heard that some have a shorter life, and some get resistive with age. Is the difference in caps of the same value a fairly recent thing, due to new cap technology? I vaguely remember PWK writing that he didn't care what caps were made out of -- even whiskey bottles would do -- if they had the right values. If someone buys a second hand speaker that is fairly old, nearly everyone advises that the caps be changed. Is there a predictable, subjective change in sound that replacing caps would make? Would a speaker with new caps sound brighter, or duller, or what? Or, is it unpredictable, and depends on location in the circuit or ______? All excellent questions, looking forward to the answers you get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptorman Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I bought my new car without looking at the engine and it still makes me smile every time I get into it. And some cars the hood can't be opened by anyone other than the dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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