Fiveoh Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Hey guys, New member of the Klipsch community. I bought the RF-62 IIs in November and now have the RC-62 and RS-52s. I love the speakers so far. Unfortunately my Yamaha 5860 just died after having it for 11 years. I have read a lot of reviews on here and AVS but the more I read the more overwhelmed I get. I would appreciate any help. I am currently debating the Denon 3100W new or possibly a Marantz 5009 refurbished (I know the 3100W has the better EQ but lots of people seem to prefer the 5009). I am very hesitant to buy something refurbished. I see lots of recommendations to accessories4less. I just want something that is going to sound great and last me a long time. 90% movies/TV, 10% music. Thanks in advance! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Fiveoh, Welcome to the forum. Too bad about the Yamaha but 11 years use is not too shabby. Have you enjoyed the Yamaha? If so, shoot for a newer Yamaha. What is the max you want to spend? A4Less is a good place to start looking. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveoh Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Thanks for responding Bill. Like anything else my budget keeps creeping up. I was trying to cap it at $500 max and nearly bought the Denon 2100W when it dropped to $400 recently but held off do to the better EQ on the 3100 (and was told the components are higher quality in the 3100 than 2100?). I got a quote for a new 3100W for just under $700 and I am thinking about it but really don't want to swing that much which is why I am considering refurbished. Just don't want to kick myself later for saving $150 to have issues from a refurbished unit. The Yamaha served me well. I just read the Denon and Marantz receivers match up really well with Klipsch speakers with their Audyssey EQ. Edited April 7, 2015 by Fiveoh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 That $500 range is a good one, there are plenty of good deals to be had on the used market. I have purchased from A4less and got a decent 75 wpc Denon AVR that has not had any problems and looked great. Your experience may vary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveoh Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 That $500 range is a good one, there are plenty of good deals to be had on the used market. I have purchased from A4less and got a decent 75 wpc Denon AVR that has not had any problems and looked great. Your experience may vary. How long have you had the refurbished unit for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I'd sign up for email specials from Authorized Online Retailers (Amazon, BB, et C.) & watch for one that met my needs. Make sure you look into Warranty info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ave Bona Cornwall Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I got a refurbished Marantz AV7005 from Accessories4less, and haven't had any issues. I thought I had a problem when I first got it, and their customer support walked me through the issue ( I didn't realize that HDMI cables with audio return were directional, and had cable hooked up in the wrong direction; my stupidity). The product has been flawless. So, I wouldn't worry about refurbished. With the brands you are looking at, I don't think you can go wrong. Denon, Marantz, and Yamaha should all make you happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Refurb denon x4000 with platinum audussey xt32 gets my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveoh Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 Thanks guys. I appreciate your input. I am already signed up for Fry's promos but I haven't seen them offer promotions on any of Denon's higher models. The 2100w is on sale now (as it is everywhere else). I thought about the X4000 refurbished for the better EQ but I am hoping to buy this receiver and keep it another 10 years like my last one (I can get a new 3100w for the price of a refurbished X4000). I know I will eventually get a 4K TV while I have this receiver so I was leaning towards the W lineup of Denon's that have the HDM 2.0 and 4k/60fps pass through support. I know I don't need that now with just a 1080p TV just trying to future proof some (although I don't think I need to wait for HDCP 2.2 from what I've read you will likely be able to get around that by buying a ultra HD player that will have both HDM 2.0 and HDCP 2.2). I'm sure I'm over analyzing this as I tend to do with most of my purchases but I really just want something that is going to last me for quite a while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The History Kid Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Actually 11 years is REALLY good for an HTR Yamaha. The HTR series does not have a great track record for solid reliability. The RX-A, V, and Z lines have always been Yamaha's cream of the crop. You might look at the Yamaha RX-A1000 series, or the Denon X3 or later series. Just recently I did see another Sherbourn SR-8100 on the bay for $400. Speaking as another forum member that came off Yamaha to Emotiva/Sherbourn...if you can find one, it's well worth the money. Love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Thanks guys. I appreciate your input. I am already signed up for Fry's promos but I haven't seen them offer promotions on any of Denon's higher models. The 2100w is on sale now (as it is everywhere else). I thought about the X4000 refurbished for the better EQ but I am hoping to buy this receiver and keep it another 10 years like my last one (I can get a new 3100w for the price of a refurbished X4000). I know I will eventually get a 4K TV while I have this receiver so I was leaning towards the W lineup of Denon's that have the HDM 2.0 and 4k/60fps pass through support. I know I don't need that now with just a 1080p TV just trying to future proof some (although I don't think I need to wait for HDCP 2.2 from what I've read you will likely be able to get around that by buying a ultra HD player that will have both HDM 2.0 and HDCP 2.2). I'm sure I'm over analyzing this as I tend to do with most of my purchases but I really just want something that is going to last me for quite a while. keep in mind by buying a lower model you aren't getting the sameAudyssey. Xt-32 is far superior. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 That $500 range is a good one, there are plenty of good deals to be had on the used market. I have purchased from A4less and got a decent 75 wpc Denon AVR that has not had any problems and looked great. Your experience may vary. How long have you had the refurbished unit for? About a year. I gave it to my son for a 5.1 system and he has had no problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveoh Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 Thanks guys. For my sanity I am trying to keep it between the 3100w and x4000 now. I feel like I'm just opening up pandora's box by bringing more models in the picture. I guess it just comes down to I have to decide if HDMI 2.0 with 4K 60fps and Multi EQ XT on 3100w is the way to go. Or no HDMI 2.0 but HDMI 1.4 with 4k 24/30 fps Multi EQ XT-32 with the x4000 is the way to go. Better HDMI vs. better EQ. Now the actual benefit of 24/30 fps vs. 60 fps is beyond me. I don't know when the higher frame rate comes in to play (I've read most 4k movies are 24 fps but what about streaming content). I don't have a 4K TV currently but I know I will eventually get one and plan on keeping this receiver a long time. That's really what I am debating at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdit Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 The difference between MultEQ XT vs XT32 is Night and Day. If it were me, I'd pick the x4000, fantastic receiver, it's all about the sound. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K5SS Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I wasn't impressed with the X4000, I felt the amps were weak, especially considering the price. I know I am in the minotity though, that receiver is loved by most. I am probably getting the 4520ci or a SC-87 in the next week or so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveoh Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 The difference between MultEQ XT vs XT32 is Night and Day. If it were me, I'd pick the x4000, fantastic receiver, it's all about the sound. Yeah I am starting to lean that way...budget keeps creeping up. I wasn't impressed with the X4000, I felt the amps were weak, especially considering the price. I know I am in the minotity though, that receiver is loved by most. I am probably getting the 4520ci or a SC-87 in the next week or so. Hmmm...I'm sure it should be a huge upgrade over what I was running. A Yamaha HTR 5860. I see accessories4less has the 4000 refurbished for $649, you can get new for $799. The 4520 ci is $799 refurbished or $999 new. The 4100w is actually also $999 new (if you click the refurbished link it gives you the option to upgrade to new). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdit Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 799 vs 649 refurb, for 150 more I would pick the 4520 over the x4000. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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