babadono Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 I know there is no advantage to going balanced. Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Marantz pics, I will post the rest in the HT picture thread Yea that's a beauty. But I'll bet you still can't adjust the channel volume(s) on the fly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 But I'll bet you still can't adjust the channel volume(s) on the fly I can with my NAD pre/pro. As well as the sub and surrounds. Yea that's a beauty. Indeed it is. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronH Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I know there is no advantage to going balanced.Huh? yeah, that's what I said. Only advantage is probably on long runs. . . and a db gain..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadgtfreek Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Everything I read said use XLR's for long runs, dont sweat it if you dont. My cables are each 1 meter in length lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted April 25, 2015 Moderators Share Posted April 25, 2015 Maybe what he is saying is there is no sonic benefit from using XLR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronH Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 ^ bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 What I am saying is if I spent a bunch of coin to get a fully differential from input to output power amp and then a bunch more coin to get that differential output Marantz pre/pro I would be connecting it with some balanced cables. The XLR to XLR cables from Monoprice are good and inexpensive. And they're handsome too. Why throw away that CMR that you bought and paid for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadgtfreek Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) LOL. XLR's have nothing to do with the Marantz SQ enhancements over an AVR for my case, my RCA's are only a meter long. Id be putting the aftermarket spoiler on the car because I think it makes it handle better, when it only makes it look better. Edited April 25, 2015 by gadgtfreek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 What I am saying is if I spent a bunch of coin to get a fully differential from input to output power amp and then a bunch more coin to get that differential output Marantz pre/pro I would be connecting it with some balanced cables I would agree with this provided you get balanced XLR's that don't break the bank. LOL. XLR's have nothing to do with the Marantz SQ enhancements over an AVR. True, but a fully balanced rig from source to output will(should) yield better results and have a lower noise floor. Since your Oppo is not balanced the results may not be noticeable. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadgtfreek Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) It's just contrary to what Ive read. I haven't found anything that said "with proper voltage output", and a "1 or 2 meter RCA run", that balanced would matter (from preamp to amp). Now I know some preamps have a lower SN ratio on balanced. I can look for that spec and see, and then maybe it would be justified. Edited April 25, 2015 by gadgtfreek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 If you already have rca's and the outlaw doesn't buzz I see no need to switch to xlr. I'm sure you didnt buy it for the balanced outputs anyways. I'm sure you bought it cause it was in your price range and its the latest Marantz pre pro. Xlr is just a bonus if you actually want to utilize it. I sure wouldn't buy extra cables if they weren't needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronH Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 What I am saying is if I spent a bunch of coin to get a fully differential from input to output power amp and then a bunch more coin to get that differential output Marantz pre/pro I would be connecting it with some balanced cables. The XLR to XLR cables from Monoprice are good and inexpensive. And they're handsome too. Why throw away that CMR that you bought and paid Sure, if its there, use it. My pre doesn't have XLR otherwise, I would use it because my outlaw has XLR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadgtfreek Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) If you already have rca's and the outlaw doesn't buzz I see no need to switch to xlr. I'm sure you didnt buy it for the balanced outputs anyways. I'm sure you bought it cause it was in your price range and its the latest Marantz pre pro. Xlr is just a bonus if you actually want to utilize it. I sure wouldn't buy extra cables if they weren't needed. That was kinda my take too. When I re-routed everything Thursday, my speaker cables and RCA's do not come close to any power cables. Edited April 25, 2015 by gadgtfreek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 What's buzz got to do with it? The reason to use balanced lines is not just avoid ground loops. I understand from what you have been reading that the authors are probably saying something like "there is no need to go to the extra expense to get equipment with balanced lines if your cable lengths are less than 10 feet' or something like that. But YOU have already gone and spent the extra money for equipment with balanced I/O. Why not go the last step? 7 of these cables from Monoprice will set you back a whole $42. http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=115&cp_id=11509&cs_id=1150902&p_id=4750&seq=1&format=2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadgtfreek Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 I still don't see the point. using something I do not need, because it is there, is wasteful. Even if it is $42 wasteful. Balanced inputs had zero bearing on the purchases. I wanted a good amp, and a nice preamp (not an avr) that had XT32. I already have very nice RCA's, with a run of less than a meter. There are no ground loop issues or noise either. Also, my current situation of needed to put an attenuator on the center channel RCA would be made worse on ALL channels if I went to XLR because of the gain increase. That would not be very smart on my part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted April 25, 2015 Moderators Share Posted April 25, 2015 I agree. If there is no sonic benefit, it is definitely a waste of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronH Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I want the same pre as you for x32 etc. If and when I get it, I will most certainly go with XLR because I want to try it out. . . and it's there. You could order the $42 XLR and if you don't like them, send them back. Just a thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadgtfreek Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) I want the same pre as you for x32 etc. If and when I get it, I will most certainly go with XLR because I want to try it out. . . and it's there. You could order the $42 XLR and if you don't like them, send them back. Just a thought. To be honest, I would do them simply for the connector stability. I really like them. I just have to figure out this speaker level issue first. If I can correct it with the attenuator, I may order the XLR's for the hell of it to see what happens. Never know until you try. I also will talk to outlaw tech support next week and see what they think. The bad thing is I have had a lot of problems in this whole upgrade, the good thing is, I am learning a lot more. Edited April 25, 2015 by gadgtfreek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronH Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Why did you dump the APC btw? See you have a panamax now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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