mxr dad Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I just picked up a new toy and checking to see if anybody else has this amp. The question is, would it be worth while to bi-wire the RF 7ii with this amp? I know bi-wire usually gets some pretty good debates and I usually wouldnt think about it but with this amp, it makes me want to try it. Any thoughts on this one? Pic of amp attached. Not actual picture, I got it from the net but its the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronH Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Dude, If you don't know by now, a $500 AVR will bring out the best in your RF7's......... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadgtfreek Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Nice, Ive heard good things about the Cinema Grand series and like the inputs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadgtfreek Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Dude, If you don't know by now, a $500 AVR will bring out the best in your RF7's......... LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) That's a nice amp. Carver amps are some of the strongest pound for pound amps. Try the Bi-ampingi option and see what you think. The ideal behind Bi-amp is a dedicate amp for each driver. Bi-wiring is only necessary if you are using to small gauge speaker wire. Bi-wiring with an electronic xo will reduce back EMF, driver time alignment, ect. With a passive xo the driver gets the same signal. For example if the bass driver is getting 100 watt, the HF driver will also see 100 watts. The HF driver may only need 10 watts so, the other 90 watts is spent up as heat in the passive xo network. If you have the extra channels it does not hurt to try it and a little extra speaker wire is relatively cheap. Now that I have pro amps with advance DSP, I can see how an electronic xo and time alignment can be a powerful tool. Edited April 30, 2015 by derrickdj1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxr dad Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 Dude, I do have a $ 500.00 AVR (3 of them and actually more than $ 500.00 when new) and if you dont know by now, clipping aint cool. I dont think I will have to worry about that with either the Outlaw 7125 or this Sunfire. I just wanted to hear Sunfire although I havent hooked it up yet. I have never owned a Sunfire amp before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxr dad Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 Derrick, so on the front channels, would I run 1 cable to the tweets and 1 to the woofs and remove the jumpers? Is that bi amp? As you can see kinda new to this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxr dad Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 Ah, looking at the owners manual, if I bi-amp I can only use 3 speakers. I dont have an owners manual but found one on line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I had a Sunfire Cinema Grand 200w/chX5 for a while and it was one sweet amp. Not too heavy but very solid build, cool as a cucumber, and serious power. If I was not so happy with my Acurus amps I would have slid it it right in for main HT duty. The question is, would it be worth while to bi-wire the RF 7ii with this amp? IMO, no need with this amp but if you must. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minermark Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Bi-Wire is a joke. Bi-Amp, now your talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minermark Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 We have a few threads here on Bi-Amping, do not know anyone who has gone that way and ever went back. Once you hear the difference and see you will never drive your Amps anywhere near max, your spoiled on the quality also. And it really does not matter SS,Tube, or a mix of both such as i am running. Just ask my neighbor(s). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxr dad Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 Yeah, its pure ignorance on my part. I have never tried either. Its just the back of this amp had me puzzled, but I think I understand better now. I was thinking since they had 2 connections on back of amp, I could run 1 to tweets and 1 to woofers yet still have 5 channels. If I understand it, if I bi-amp, it would take 2 channels to run 1 speaker. I mean, I know thats how it works, but the different connections on this amp had me thinking differently. Just a noobie So lets see if I'm on the right track now. I bi-amp the 2 fronts and not the center therefore the Sunfire is driving the fronts and center. Then I let other amp/AVR handle the 2 surrounds? I have 5.1 setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minermark Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Yeah, its pure ignorance on my part. I have never tried either. Its just the back of this amp had me puzzled, but I think I understand better now. I was thinking since they had 2 connections on back of amp, I could run 1 to tweets and 1 to woofers yet still have 5 channels. If I understand it, if I bi-amp, it would take 2 channels to run 1 speaker. I mean, I know thats how it works, but the different connections on this amp had me thinking differently. Just a noobie So lets see if I'm on the right track now. I bi-amp the 2 fronts and not the center therefore the Sunfire is driving the fronts and center. Then I let other amp/AVR handle the 2 surrounds? I have 5.1 setup. Im sorry, my Bad, im talking two channel. I will at this time bow out of a HT thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxr dad Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 No, dont leave me now. Its still relevant in 2 channel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minermark Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 There are experts on this subject matter, HT i try to avoid because i simply do not know enough about it. Two channel, pizz off the neighbors, yeah, i can go there. Just hang in there with this thread, HT guys will chime in soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronH Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Dude, I do have a $ 500.00 AVR (3 of them and actually more than $ 500.00 when new) and if you dont know by now, clipping aint cool. I dont think I will have to worry about that with either the Outlaw 7125 or this Sunfire. I just wanted to hear Sunfire although I havent hooked it up yet. I have never owned a Sunfire amp before. LOL, I hope you know my post was in jest.....considering some of the previous threads... Plus, look at my sig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxr dad Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 I didnt get it at first but do now. BTW, nice setup you have going there. Them smiley faces are there for a reason. Use Them! Its all good. I still think I might bi-amp for the front, then when I want 2 channel, it will be there. Which brings up a good point Miner. Even though I am using for HT, I use the same setup for 2 channel. Am I missing out by going this route? Is a dedicated 2 channel setup better for this? You would think I'd know these things but I never really thought about it until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 We have a few threads here on Bi-Amping, do not know anyone who has gone that way and ever went back. Once you hear the difference and see you will never drive your Amps anywhere near max, your spoiled on the quality also. And it really does not matter SS,Tube, or a mix of both such as i am running. Just ask my neighbor(s). are you just passive bi amping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronH Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I didnt get it at first but do now. BTW, nice setup you have going there. Them smiley faces are there for a reason. Use Them! Its all good. I still think I might bi-amp for the front, then when I want 2 channel, it will be there. Which brings up a good point Miner. Even though I am using for HT, I use the same setup for 2 channel. Am I missing out by going this route? Is a dedicated 2 channel setup better for this? You would think I'd know these things but I never really thought about it until now. HA! I did bro! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Remove the jumper to passive Bi-amp. One channel for the Hi's with wiring and one for the low's. It is fun too try all this stuff for yourself. I did and it was fun. You can always use the avr for surround channels. Surround channels don't require the power of the front three. You do know they commonly call passive bi-amping, fool's bi-amping, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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