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If all 3 were free, which would you pick 1st?  And why?  Just curious on opinions on this.  I know there is no right answer and it would come down to which sounds best to me (if I can get all 3 in the same room at the same time, that is), but still curious.

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Other than perceptions of which of these would sound "the best" it will be interesting to find how many have actually heard all three. And in similar settings, with similar electronics. Probably very few. Interested to see how this is answered.

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I have heard Klipschorns and RF-7IIs and Palladium PF-39s A/B/Cd in the same room at the same time as well as over 30 other forum members here just a few weeks ago in Hope, Arkansas at the Klipsch Factory as well as owning RF-7s and Klipschorns. It is not even close, the Klipschorns trump the RF-7IIs and the Palladium flagships by a large margin.

As for the Epic CF-4, I have never played around with anything that small, but I feel confident that it wont stand up to the Klipschorn either as the Bass is not Horn Loaded.

Roger

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Other than perceptions of which of these would sound "the best" it will be interesting to find how many have actually heard all three. And in similar settings, with similar electronics. Probably very few. Interested to see how this is answered.

As I just stated, over 30 of us just A/B/Cd the RF-7II, The Palladium PF-39, and the Klipschorn in the same room, built by Klipsch with theatre seating to do just that.

Ask ANYBODY that was there!!

Roger

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Other than perceptions of which of these would sound "the best" it will be interesting to find how many have actually heard all three. And in similar settings, with similar electronics. Probably very few. Interested to see how this is answered.

As I just stated, over 30 of us just A/B/Cd the RF-7II, The Palladium PF-39, and the Klipschorn in the same room, built by Klipsch with theatre seating to do just that.

Ask ANYBODY that was there!!

Roger

 

I was there, and listened both in the front row and the back of the room, and I agree.  No contest, Khorns over all.

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I have the CF-4's v1 and they are impressive in my medium sized asymmetrical living room, run with a 110wpc AVR.  My problem is the only Klipsch I can compare them to is Mustang Guy's 6.2 (3 front, 3 back) La Scala setup in a commercial theater-sized building, so it's hard for me to judge.  MG's 6.2 setup and sound stage is better than any other theater setup I've ever heard.  I've never heard the RF-7ii.

 

For my living room setup I would pick the CF-4's over the LS because of room limitations, the CF-4's are tremendous and very accurate with minor upgrades.  I just don't know about the RF-7ii's.

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CF4 with a lot of modifications vertically bi amped with a set of 100 x 2 stereo blocks, domestic size more than enough level for me deeper bass than a Khorn and with mods better stage and image than any of the khorns I have listened to over the years. I think that they are probably the best Klipsch of all time. RF7 either version is not in the running with only two tens per cabinet and a smaller horn than the CF4 so your contest as I see it is between Khorn and CF4. Best regards Moray James.

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I've owned both the Khorns and CF-4.  The CF-4 have extremely solid bass and was probably their strongest asset.  While the version I owned were version 3, they would not come close to creating the musical joy I had with Klispchorns.  For me, no contest, Klipschorns win.  While I have never owned RF-7s, I have heard them and don't believe they would have a chance against the mighty K-horns.

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I've had Klipschorns and currently have CF-4s. I found the Klipschorns a lot of fun and they added a new dynamic and lively element to the music that I'd never heard before. But in the end I felt I was listening to the Klipschorns and not the music. The CF-4s in my opinion do a lot of what the Klipschorns do - they're alive, dynamic, have a big sound - but they go a step farther in adding more and tighter bass, better imagining, and less ringing/resonance in the tweeter and upper mids. And the CF-4s despite their size have an advantage in placement - my Klipschorns were limited in their ability due to how I had to place them in my room. 

 

I think in a different house and with the ability to perform some serious mods I would consider klipschorns again. But until then I will be more than happy with my CF-4s.

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Thanks for the info.  It fits my biases.  I've never heard a demo like the one you folk have, so I have some questions:

 

1) Were they in Klipsch's old room that is about 16' x 24'?  If not, what were the approx. dimensions?

 

2) How were the placed in the room, e.g., how close to the walls, etc. (I assume the Khorns were in the front corners, rather than in artificial corners). 

 

3) How much room treatment was there? 

 

4) Was the floor flat, or slanted up toward the back?

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Thanks for the info.  It fits my biases.  I've never heard a demo like the one you folk have, so I have some questions:

 

1) Were they in Klipsch's old room that is about 16' x 24'?  If not, what were the approx. dimensions?  I guess that would be about right, but then, I'm old and don't think so well anymore...

 

2) How were the placed in the room, e.g., how close to the walls, etc. (I assume the Khorns were in the front corners, rather than in artificial corners). Khorns were in the front corners.

 

3) How much room treatment was there? There was some on each wall, not overly done, I thought appropriate.

 

4) Was the floor flat, or slanted up toward the back?  Seemed flat to me, but then, I'm old and don't think so well anymore....

 

There were also a lot of people in the room, but the Khorns still sounded fantastic.

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Gary, I'll be very honest with you....I've heard Palladiums, and CF4's, and Khorns, and Jubs, and Cornwall's, etc, etc, etc.  I heard the Palladiums at Klipsch HQ in a great room, with a great system, and with great music (Clapton live).  At the time, I thought they were absolutely stellar, and some of the best speakers I'd heard yet....but, I hadn't yet heard Khorns in a proper room....and I have to tell you, with the same system, same room, same source, same music, the Khorns smoked the Palladiums and the RF7's in Hope.  Yes, I was somewhat surprised, but I was also very pleased with the result.  I also listened to a pair of Khorns and a pair of Jubs at my friend Colter's place, and again, for me, the Khorns won out.  The Khorns just seemed to bring a warmth and presence that the others could not.  If only I had great corners....well, you know the rest....

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Jim,

I have been wondering about Michaels Jubilees for a long time as he has multiple posts about lack of satisfaction and almost sold them a couple of times!!

I have spent months listening to Kevin Harmons and his two pair of Klipschorns plus my own several pair of Klipschorns and TSCMs and can assure you that the Klipschorns did not come out on top from my own view point. I have wondered if Michael is running passive networks or active. And if he does has actives which are preferable, does he have the amps set up for horn / time alignment??

Roger

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I myself can't see the C-4s competing with Klipschorns.

I see more bass as a possibility if the Klipschorns did not have the proper environment but any claims of tighter or more accurate Bass are purely the posters opinion and I have to call BS as it is a proven fact that horn loaded bass has less distortion than a direct radiator. I also have a hard time believing that a pair of CF-4s would put out any more Bass than my KP-450s and they are Bass shy compared to a properly executed pair of Klipschorn.

YMMV, but I aint buyin it....

Roger

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Jim,

I have been wondering about Michaels Jubilees for a long time as he has multiple posts about lack of satisfaction and almost sold them a couple of times!!

I have spent months listening to Kevin Harmons and his two pair of Klipschorns plus my own several pair of Klipschorns and TSCMs and can assure you that the Klipschorns did not come out on top from my own view point. I have wondered if Michael is running passive networks or active. And if he does has actives which are preferable, does he have the amps set up for horn / time alignment??

Roger

Hey Roger, I would have to leave this to Michael to answer.  I'm sure a great deal of it is just my personal preference for the type of sound that the Khorns present.

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