not loud enough..... for me

[wvu80]

thanks for the suggestions everyone.  I am really a high freq feind, the more ear-bleed inducing the better. Contrary to alot that I read people saying on the interwebs, I would welcome more horn in the mid to mid-high range. 

 

As some here have indicated, I can see that alot of my spl deficiency is from lack of bass in my setup, and getting my "free" sub online is going to help a bit. I've also been looking into building one of Bill Fitzmaurice's Tuba sub horn designs that I would put in the corner of the hearth out ouf the way.   

 

The Tuba sounds like a good start for big, clean sound.  Like others here, I also worry that if you simply add ear splitting high frequencies, you soon won't have any hearing in your ears from which to split.  When you overdrive smaller drivers what you think of as "loud" is often distortion.  If you are getting distortion free sound, then you can play louder and it doesn't hurt your ears as much.

 

I have recently switched from small speaker drivers 8" and smaller to large, dual 12's and single 15".  What I got was a big live sound, without the distortion.  You might try larger speakers with 15" woofers, like the LS.

 

Edited August 3, 2015 by wvu80

[garyrc]

Klipschorns in artificial corners, with a good subwoofer (particularly a horn loaded one), a preamp/processor with one of the top two configurations of Audyssey, and a separate power amp(s) of a real 100 w.p.c. RMS or more should give you LOUD, BRIGHT and CLEAN. ........ OR, you could contact Roy Delgado at Klipsch and get an appropriate pair of Jubs.  I haven't heard them, but most people who have think they are better than Khorns (with at least one dissenter).  You would still need a good sub, horn loaded being the cleanest.

 

AVRs often put out lower wattage than their rating would imply -- I've heard the figure of 80%, but I don't know.  See "on the bench" reports from Home Theater, Stereophile, etc.  I wouldn't be too surprised if some separate power amps with 5 or 7 channels are similarly over rated, due to sharing the power supply.  Once again, see bench reports.  [EDIT: I just checked a bench report from Sound & Vision of your AVR.  They measured (@0.1% distortion, type unspecified, but probably THD?) 111.7 w.p.c with TWO channels operating, 72.9 w.p.c. with FIVE channels operating, and 68.5 w.p.c. with SEVEN channels operating.  The five channels operating figure was 65% of the 111.7 w.p.c. they had measrued with two channels operating, but about 73% off the 100 w.p.c./ 2 ch Marantz specifies].  None of this would matter much with Khorns or La Scalas, but might matter with less efficient speakers.  Crossing over to a really good powered sub at the usual 80 Hz, with your mains set at "small" would help, but the leading edge impact of most drums (snare, timpani, kick, toms, etc.) is above that frequency, even though the "bassier" ones have plenty below, as well. 

 

A real 100 w.p.c amplifier into Khorns or La Scalas could give you 117 dB peaks, with a little margin, out well into a 3,000 cu ft room (derived from Dope from Hope v 16, No 1, January 1977).  Since your room is considerably larger, you should sit closer, rather than pumping in more than 100 wts for peaks.  The Khorns would be endangered with more.  It is easy to accidentally overdrive speakers. I don't know what the limits are for a Jub.  You would still need a good, strong sub.  Many people find they can get better subjective balance and loudness with a sub that is turned up 3 dB or a little more, but if you do that, do it after you run Audyssey or some other automated room EQ, or the auto EQ will turn your sub right back down.

 

Treat your room, at least the first reflection points, before using auto EQ.

 

Since you don't want to further damage your ears, Google OSHA noise regulations.  Relatively steady, continuous high Sound Pressure Level is more damaging than brief peaks (except for very loud percussive peaks -- like close up gun fire -- that are far higher in SPL than anything likely to come from music).  Ask your ear doctor if your ears are more likely to be further damaged than those of a person with undamaged ears -- but don't be too surprised if he has no documentation/references to give you.  Be sure to ask him/her about continuous v.s. brief peaks.  If you listen to a lot of Rock or heavy metal, be careful.  Those, and some other genres have long, continuously loud passages.  Classical, modern orchestral or choral, and much jazz, tend not put you under the continuous abuse that, say, sustained electric guitar might.

Edited August 3, 2015 by garyrc

[jjptkd]

   

[derrickdj1]

As we get older some natural hearing loss occurs.  The inner ear structure are not a pliable and there is a lost of cilia.  Couple this with decreasing never relays and processing, bam, you're aging.  More care is need not to cause further damage.  Headphones are a great way to get immersed into you music.

[MORE KLIPSCH PLEASE]

So let me throw my two cents in here......

For this one I'm with jjptkd all the way......yes LaScala's play clean and loud and with a nice sub really great sound.....

But when I want to really pump it up in the house....the Chorus II's are called into action....with my BIG Carver TFM-55x....putting 375+ watts at em...... It's wall shaking...chest pounding......and loud is a under statement....it is concert level....and yea I'll have a few subs hitting as well.

But to sum it up IMHO the Chorus will rock your world.....something seems to happen when you creast that 300 watt mark.....they just come alive....it's like a wall of sound.....man I love it....

My KP-362's are the same they just plain rock....they are also powerd with a big Carver TFM-42...

Well that's my "2" cents at ya.... good luck....have fun....

MKP :-)

[derrickdj1]

I predicting in 5 years we will have a gone deaf section on the forum, lol. He, he, chuckle.

[BigStewMan]

I’ll be there.   It’s a lonely world when you’re in a group and can’t join in the conversation because you can’t hear/understand what people are saying.  

I went to a hot shot specialist -- after his exam he said, “Nobody ever told you what’s wrong with you and what your options are?"

I said, “i know, all those times my Mom told me to turn the music down, i should have listened to her."

He said, “No. Your hearing loss is not caused by loud music, you have tissue growing over the bone."

He said he can cut out the bone and replace it with a piece of metal; but, it wouldn’t restore my hearing, just stop it from getting worse. 

Will i ever get the surgery?  Possibly.  The hearing aids help a lot; but, he also said my hearing loss is so bad that i need the outside the ear kind and i have the small ones that go in the ear.  oh yeah, they cost a lot…three years ago i got them and it was $5,000.

Edited August 4, 2015 by BigStewMan

[moray james]

something like a KPT904 is big enough to play very loud but small enough to sound good in a home setting.

Take a look at the set Woody got. https://community.kl...lipsch-kpt-904/

[deadlift]

I found my La Scala's driven by a Krell KSA 300S was more than adequte for the entire neighborhood.

 

[absolve2525]

I suggest Chorus II as well. They pack some major punch.

[artto]

It's just not cutting it.   The fidelity is brilliant, but dammit, I want more DBs.  After years of loud machinery, working in refineries, building racing engines, trauck pulling, etc, I must be partially deaf or sumthin'.   The DBs just arent there for me.  

 

Then what you need are a pair of these:

 

http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/products/loud-speakers/jericho/jh-90/

 

And a subwoofer or two like these:

 

http://futuremusic.com/2008/07/22/worlds-biggest-subwoofer-danley-sound-labs-matterhorn/

[MORE KLIPSCH PLEASE]

 

It's just not cutting it.   The fidelity is brilliant, but dammit, I want more DBs.  After years of loud machinery, working in refineries, building racing engines, trauck pulling, etc, I must be partially deaf or sumthin'.   The DBs just arent there for me.  

 

Then what you need are a pair of these:

 

http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/products/loud-speakers/jericho/jh-90/

 

And a subwoofer or two like these:

 

http://futuremusic.com/2008/07/22/worlds-biggest-subwoofer-danley-sound-labs-matterhorn/

Oh yea.... that's what I'm talking about....

Damn that's some shitt right there..

 

MKP :-)

[MORE KLIPSCH PLEASE]

well I don't know what happend there.. my post ended up in artto's quote... ok then

 

MKP :-)

[artto]

I have to admit I didn't read every post but I think I spotted the problem, that's RF 35's  it's no wonder it's not filling that room better.

 

Also you are probably a little deaf after the way you explained it.

 

Welcome dude, get some better/bigger speakers your problems will be solved, except for the deaf part.

 

Welcome you came to the right place......  

Good point. I hadn't noticed that (RF-35). I haven't had anything quite that small since the JBL L-100 in my first "good" stereo system - in my bedroom (college). After that it was Cornwalls -----> Khorns+Belle ---------> Danley SH50 + 4 Epik Empire subs. 3KW rms/7KW peak. Now I'm happy   errrr..............happier

Edited August 16, 2015 by artto

[SuBXeRo]

me thinks you have lots of options.  you have a really big room with those cathedral ceilings.  I think that cornwalls or their pro counterparts would do you well.  With a big room not only do you need a lot of sound but BIG sound.  RF-7's would do you well too if you went reference for the setup.  I mean, the room is big but with proper power to the 7's and its counterpart surrounds, no problems.  I would probably cut the 7's off at 80hz or 60hz and let the subs do heavy lifting.  Again, similar concept for the Pro stuff but most of those aren't designed for the lows anyways.

[DrWho]

The only way you're gonna get more SPL is to increase the radiating surface area and dump lots of power into it. Going from dual fifteens to quad fifteens is only going to increase the volume 6dB, which ain't that much.

Artto's suggestion for the Jericho and Matterhorn probably isn't that far off if you're looking to peel off your drywall...

[moray james]

me thinks you have lots of options.  you have a really big room with those cathedral ceilings.  I think that cornwalls or their pro counterparts would do you well.  With a big room not only do you need a lot of sound but BIG sound.  RF-7's would do you well too if you went reference for the setup.  I mean, the room is big but with proper power to the 7's and its counterpart surrounds, no problems.  I would probably cut the 7's off at 80hz or 60hz and let the subs do heavy lifting.  Again, similar concept for the Pro stuff but most of those aren't designed for the lows anyways.

RF7 playing full range are not going to do well, dual tens are simply too small and you would not want to be in the same house as a pair of RF7 attempting to play at 120db. Even with the bottom end rolled off I am not sure I would want to hear them playing that loud. It's not what they were intended to do. I cannot speak from hands on experience with a set of RF7 but I do have a set of KLF20 and there is not that much difference between the two woofer drivers as far as linear throw goes. I am sure it is greater for the RF7 woofer but it's not double.

[jacksonbart]

Hearing aids

[bluesboy]

Top Notch hearing aids at that.

[BigStewMan]

Hearing aids

so at work this lady tells me that her friend got hearing aids.  I said, “i’m sorry. Do you get hearing aids from oral sex?

She laughed; but, another lady approached me and said that my joke offended her.

I apologized and said, “Maybe i should save that one for a more intellectual crowd."

She said “yes, that would be a good idea."

I felt like telling her, “NOW, i said something offensive to you"; but, didn’t want to risk her reporting me to HR.”  Me & HR aren’t on good terms.