Nexgen76 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Hello guys i been around here for a while & love Klipsch......I'm adding Atmos to my Klipsch setup this week & expect my pair of RP-140SA to arrive Tuesday. But i need some help. I wanting to do 5.2.4 setup so here my question because i will order another pair of RP-140SA this week. After watching Atmos for over a year & demoing it at Bestbuy like crazy I'm ready to make the investment & don't care about DTS-X right now only one movie out & DTS-X has been really quiet about future content(another discussion..lol) 1) Which AVR route should i take Denon x5200 or Denon x4100 & add Amp. 2) If i go Denon x4100 route which two channel amp would i need & best fix the situation....Be easy I'm a newbie when it come to Amps. 3) I'm planning to sit my front height RP-140SA on RF-7 II & my rear height RP-140SA on top off RF-82 II would this be a issue since my front about two or three inches higher & both are above ear level....Thanks Edited September 13, 2015 by Nexgen76 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 1) Which AVR route should i take Denon x5200 If you go this route, the obvious advantage is all in one convenience, but higher $$$. http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrx5200w/denon-avr-x5200w-9.2-atmos-full-4k-ultra-hd-receiver-wi-fi/bluetooth/airplay/1.html#!specifications Denon x4100 & add Amp This route you get most if not all bells and whistles at a lower $$$. http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrx4100wa/denon-avr-x4100w-7.2-atmos-receiver-wi-fi/bluetooth/airplay/1.html plus 2) If i go Denon x4100 route which two channel amp would i need & best fix the situation....Be easy I'm a newbie when it come to Amps. IMO, if you will use the outboard amp for the additional two secondary channels, you really don't "need" more than about 75w/ch. http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/onkm5010/onkyo-m-5010-two-channel-75-wpc-amplifier/1.html#!specifications----(currently out of stock) If you want a more powerful better quality amp to drive your main speakers, then look for something like this. http://greensboro.craigslist.org/ele/5148962146.html Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) I personally think it's not wise to buy a 700$+ receiver that will be outdated Ina couple months myself buuuut, not sure of prices on 4100 vs 5200. If a 4100 with a small 200$ 2 channel amp is cheaper than a 5200 i would go that route. One guy on here named nismo has a 4100 and he uses an emotiva mini-x for his additional amp. Think he enjoys it very much. And as far as rear being a few inches shorter avr will compensate for that Edited September 13, 2015 by Scrappydue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I personally think it's not wise to buy a 700$+ receiver that will be outdated Ina couple months What part of the tech will be outdated? Honest to goodness, I can't keep up with the constantly changing "latest and greatest." It reminds me of the early days of the personal computers with DOS and the early Windows configurations where there was a new OS and a new video format every 6 months, VGA, EGA, Super VGA, ad nauseum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzydog Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I personally think it's not wise to buy a 700$+ receiver that will be outdated Ina couple months myself Same could be said for processors. It seems to me that stand alone processors should be cheaper than a receiver, but it never works out that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexgen76 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 1) Which AVR route should i take Denon x5200 If you go this route, the obvious advantage is all in one convenience, but higher $$$. http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrx5200w/denon-avr-x5200w-9.2-atmos-full-4k-ultra-hd-receiver-wi-fi/bluetooth/airplay/1.html#!specifications Denon x4100 & add Amp This route you get most if not all bells and whistles at a lower $$$. http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrx4100wa/denon-avr-x4100w-7.2-atmos-receiver-wi-fi/bluetooth/airplay/1.html plus 2) If i go Denon x4100 route which two channel amp would i need & best fix the situation....Be easy I'm a newbie when it come to Amps. IMO, if you will use the outboard amp for the additional two secondary channels, you really don't "need" more than about 75w/ch. http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/onkm5010/onkyo-m-5010-two-channel-75-wpc-amplifier/1.html#!specifications----(currently out of stock) If you want a more powerful better quality amp to drive your main speakers, then look for something like this. http://greensboro.craigslist.org/ele/5148962146.html Bill Looks like i will be going Denon x4100 & emotiva mini-x route....... I don't know anything about how to configure this setup where do i start & thanks for the input Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I personally think it's not wise to buy a 700$+ receiver that will be outdated Ina couple months What part of the tech will be outdated? Honest to goodness, I can't keep up with the constantly changing "latest and greatest." It reminds me of the early days of the personal computers with DOS and the early Windows configurations where there was a new OS and a new video format every 6 months, VGA, EGA, Super VGA, ad nauseum. well guess it won't reallyBe outdated but every has a processor that has Dolby true HD AND dts-HD master audio. Because Dolby and Dts coexist. Both receiver he listed only have Dolby and will not be able to be upgraded when Dts comes out very soon. Not sure I'd wanna spend that much money on something that doesn't have both when it's right around the corner. That's what I meant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexgen76 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I personally think it's not wise to buy a 700$+ receiver that will be outdated Ina couple months myself buuuut, not sure of prices on 4100 vs 5200. If a 4100 with a small 200$ 2 channel amp is cheaper than a 5200 i would go that route. One guy on here named nismo has a 4100 and he uses an emotiva mini-x for his additional amp. Think he enjoys it very much. And as far as rear being a few inches shorter avr will compensate for that Denon x4100 699.99 emotiva mini-x 219.00 Total= 918.00 VS Denon x5200 1,199.00 Saving.... 281.00 Which route would you choose ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexgen76 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I personally think it's not wise to buy a 700$+ receiver that will be outdated Ina couple months What part of the tech will be outdated? Honest to goodness, I can't keep up with the constantly changing "latest and greatest." It reminds me of the early days of the personal computers with DOS and the early Windows configurations where there was a new OS and a new video format every 6 months, VGA, EGA, Super VGA, ad nauseum. well guess it won't reallyBe outdated but every has a processor that has Dolby true HD AND dts-HD master audio. Because Dolby and Dts coexist. Both receiver he listed only have Dolby and will not be able to be upgraded when Dts comes out very soon. Not sure I'd wanna spend that much money on something that doesn't have both when it's right around the corner. That's what I meant DTS-X not important to me now because the content( 1 Blu-Ray) isn't there so I'm willing to sit out another year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) well guess it won't really I still think you're right! My philosophy is usually to buy mid-range and then after 4-5 years buy something else because of what you said, the tech changes so often. I think we are about to change HDMI standards 2.0 to 2.2 (I think). I've heard others discuss how the 4K HDTV's are about to change as well, so it's probably not a good time to invest in a big bucks TV. Back in the 80's I bought a Zenith VHS player, in stereo for $700 when all the other VHS players were $200 for the promise of when stereo tapes would be released some day, I would be ready! I was so smart, so hip, so ahead of the tech curve! Yeah, no. Not so much. Stereo VHS tapes were never released, I never, ever played anything in stereo on that stupid white elephant! And then just to mock me, VHS went out and CD's were in. I just went back to bootlegging movies on my Betamax. Edited September 13, 2015 by wvu80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 DTS-X not important to me now because the content( 1 Blu-Ray) isn't there so I'm willing to sit out another year. and thats fine. me, i can't afford to spend 918$ and then buy another one next year. id probably save the money and go with the 4100 and a 2 channel amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 My philosophy is usually to buy mid-range and then after 4-5 years buy something else because of what you said, the tech changes so often. Agree. If most of you(us) have not figured it out yet, you(we) will always be behind the eightball when it comes to consumer A/V gear. It's all part of the plan of obsolescence. Too many fall right in that trap to have the latest and greatest right now. I for one am not an early adopter and am content with what I have for a good while. I was an early adopter of 1.3a HDMI standard with my Onkyo TX-SR705 that I bought in 2007 and used it in my main HT rig until 2012. At that time, I went back to a pre HDMI 2004 AVR NAD T773 because it was a flagship model and produced superior music quality while maintaining equal quality with HT. I am currently using a 2010 1.3a HDMI NAD preamp-processor that I have been very happy with but "may" go to an Atmos equipped pre/pro or AVR in the near future like the Yamaha RX-A3040. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nismo Posted September 15, 2015 Author Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) Nexgen76: Either the 4100 or the 5200 would make for a great option when going 5.2.4 It just depends on if you're comfortable with a refurbished 5200, with 1 year warranty for $1200. Or of you prefer a BNIB 4100 ($779), with a full 3 year warranty + adding a 2ch Emotiva mini-x-a-100 ($219) for at total of $1000. As far as being "obsolete"....virtually any gear is almost obsolete after purchase, because Company X is already working the next model. (lol) Half the guys here will say "Don't buy" the old model... because its outdated. The other half will say "Buy" the old model... because you save $$$$." Neither the 4100 nor the 5200 offer DTS:X or HDCP 2.2 so there's no pro/con evident there (seems that is not an issue with your decision). The 5200 has the convenience of not connecting an external amp, but doing so hardly takes any an effort. ====================== I actually have the 4100 & the 2ch Emotiva driving my 5.2.4 Atmos setup & the 4100 has plenty of power for my mains & front RP-140's. While the Emotiva powers my rear RP-140SA's perfectly. Combined they more than fill the room with no effort. No concern with your fronts being slightly higher than the rears, Audyssey will easily correct placement. No problem. The 4100 offers tremendous value, so just depends on if you prefer BNIB or going the refurbished route. Edited September 15, 2015 by Nismo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nismo Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 Nexgen76... I wanted to ask what's your room size, how tall are your ceilings & how are they finished? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexgen76 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Nexgen76... I wanted to ask what's your room size, how tall are your ceilings & how are they finished? Room size 25x15(living room for now) Ceiling 8ft high & has flat surface made of wood painted white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nismo Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 Now this is multi-channel music. The first Blu-ray Audio disc authored in Atmos: 1615 Gabrieli in Venice. http://www.whathifi.com/news/dolby-reveals-first-blu-ray-audio-disc-atmos?utm_content=buffer26e1c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer Blur-ray Pure Audio Discs have been available for some time now, remastered with uncompressed 24bit/96k audio, including The Stones, The Who, Supertramp, Diana Krall, Vivaldi, Beethoven & many others. But all previous offerings were mastered in PCM 2.0, Dolby TrueHD & DTS Master Audio. I hope the trend continues with Atmos Blu-ray Audio with more mainstream releases moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldred Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) I just went back to bootlegging movies on my Betamax. I remember those days........ Edited October 22, 2015 by oldred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercedesBerater Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) Nexgen76... I wanted to ask what's your room size, how tall are your ceilings & how are they finished? Room size 25x15(living room for now) Ceiling 8ft high & has flat surface made of wood painted white. Hmmm..... What shade of white? Edited October 22, 2015 by MercedesBerater 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nismo Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 White is "reflecting"... so, for this application that's a good thing. =============== Nextgen... your ceiling height would be an effective environment for either add-on modules or in-ceiling speakers. Any progress with AVR selection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercedesBerater Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 True... I've found Victorian white has a more relaxed... Classic sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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