Mallette Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share Posted September 14, 2015 Ah, the old Scumbag Forum. Haven't been there in a while. Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 i wasn't calling you old, just a scumbag. don't want to be accused of being an ageist along with everything else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 actually.. we've met, so you're no longer in the scumbag column. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Music lover only, and I can prove it. I have not changed any settings, electronics or speakers in years but have listened to plenty of music. My choice of speakers are the one's playing, not necessarily the best I have. Yeah, no offence, you like music and a great sound system. But that said, really what would be the point of a great stereo system or home theater if you didn't enjoy the media. Having a system that produce "waves" or "tones" at precise frequencies mean nothing to me. Its like talking about a great guitar player. Sure they can move their fingers very fast but are they musical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Music Lover .... but ... music, particularly orchestral or organ music, needs to be reproduced with adequate dynamic range (for instance), or it is not what the composer wrote, as filtered through the interpretation of the artists. Since many sound systems and recordings don't have adequate dynamic range, adequate reproduction of texture, instrumental reproduction that sounds real, etc., etc., I have long had audiophile concerns. More recently, now that it is possible to rum movies at home that sound like they do in a good theater, my audiophile concerns now extend to Home Theater. Some sound systems are capable of transporting me to the musical place I have experienced in concert halls. I feel a bit cheated if a new recording fails to do that, or if a friend's sound system cannot. For old 78s, car sound systems, etc. I lower my expectations (automatically), so it doesn't hurt so much, and I can enjoy what's left of the music. Edited September 14, 2015 by garyrc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAKO Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) WHY THE PUT DOWN ??? Edited September 14, 2015 by ZAKO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) wait... did I drop my scum bag? garyc - nice post, well said. Not sure I am on the same plain, as I guess I don't always expect the concert quality sound as if I was in the optimal seat in the Vienna State Opera hall. I like music. And before you criticize me for starting a sentence with a conjunction, I have been to Vienna. Edited September 14, 2015 by jacksonbart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 WHY THE PUT DOWN ??? Why are you down??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 wait... did I drop my scum bag? whoa whoa.. let's not get ahead of ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share Posted September 14, 2015 Not following this at all. Certainly seen no evidence of a "put down." What am I missing? Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 What do you call a person who goes to concerts every week, but has a boom box at home? Are the audiophiles that don't listen to music? Why are there so very few women on audio forums? Why is there some important distinctions being made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 no music can sound any better than the system it's played back on. I've been thinking about this comment all day and something about it just doesn't sit right. How do you determine the "betterness" of a system? I can think of some music that sounds "better" on a "worse" system. So does that mean our description of the betterness/worseness of a system is faulty, or is there actually an objective measure of system quality that doesn't correlate to musical enjoyment? To offer a specific example, play Three Dog Night on the most killer khorn system in the world, and then compare to my dad's Bose 4.2 bookshelf speakers...one is completely unlistenable, the other is extremely enjoyable. It was perfect when it was made and it still is. I totally agree with this idea about the original source material - even regardless of the mastering technique. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) How do you determine the "betterness" of a system? By it's sound as I hear it. What you think is meaningless in that context, as is what I think about what you are hearing. No inaccurate system can improve a POS recording, nor can an accurate system do anything but reproduce truth to the extent the state of the art allows it. Dave Edited September 14, 2015 by Mallette 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share Posted September 14, 2015 WHY THE PUT DOWN ??? Still waiting to understand this... Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 No inaccurate system can improve a POS recording I beg to differ.....and not being pedantic about it either. A nonlinear representation of a signal fed into an equal and opposite nonlinear system will result in a better sound. That POS recording could very well sound better on a less accurate system - not saying it's always the case, but it's more often than you might imagine... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jim Naseum Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 What makes a POS recording a POS? 1. What's the criteria? 2. What's the instrument to measure it? 3. How do we even know what the engineers did? If he boosted some bass by 12dBs, is that automatically bad? Or only bad if it sounds bad on my speaker? What if he corrected performance mistakes and thereby created a performance which the artist never tendered? An artificial performance! Good or POS? 4. Wouldn't we have to know what the engineers did to judge POS? If not, and it is only up to reach " speaker + brain " then how meaningful is the judgment? 5. WHERE IS GROUND ZERO? WHAT IS THE REFERENCE? Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldred Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) Music lover......but I draw the line at Lawrence Welk and the King Family Edited September 15, 2015 by oldred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted September 15, 2015 Moderators Share Posted September 15, 2015 Music lover only, and I can prove it. I have not changed any settings, electronics or speakers in years but have listened to plenty of music. My choice of speakers are the one's playing, not necessarily the best I have. But you have to ask yourself if you sometimes listen to certain music or songs because they sound good on a good system. That is the only explanation I can come up with as to why you guys got busted in Hope last year while listening to a gawd awful song like Thriller at 5 am. I'm just saying...... Well what happens in Hope I can't possibly be responsible for, they tend to listen to a lot of heavy metal also, by far most of it is not my choice either. I did squeeze in some good reggae very late one night after Rodney went home to sleep, cranked it up actually and would bet $ the cows out there never heard any reggae before that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted September 15, 2015 Moderators Share Posted September 15, 2015 Music lover only, and I can prove it. I have not changed any settings, electronics or speakers in years but have listened to plenty of music. My choice of speakers are the one's playing, not necessarily the best I have. OK, but can you explain what hobby drives you to have over 17,000 posts on this forum? Not really I'm a slow learner But really I was for a long time chasing a sound like many here are and finely got tired of it. I realized I had the best sound of any combination I have tried over the last 40 years. I figure the only thing that could improve what I use now would be 2 things,1 get back into to vinyl and 2 get a mic and software to make adjustments to compensate for the room. I decided to do neither and just enjoy the music and be happy. Truthfully in the long run I like the people here and have met many in person and it has always been good. There is one other thing I am interested in but I am not quite ready to do anything about it, computers tied to audio. I love streaming music and the variety it provide. I am willing to give up a "little" quality for a ton of convenience and variety, I rarely sit and critically listen anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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