jimjimbo 10344 Posted February 19 2 hours ago, Davedev07 said: I added the Ct120 and the a/4500 crossover to my 70’s LaScalas, which had the original AL crossover.. It seems like the are overly harsh. Very detailed, yes, I read these crossover move the crossover point to 4500, and maybe that is part of the issue? Any recommendations on what to try and tame them abit? Thanks Davedev07 Yes, go back to AA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RandyH000 7296 Posted February 19 Try the CT 120 with the AL --------instead of the a/4500- or try the CT 125 with the AL or the a/4500 - --nothing really compares to the K77- but the CT 125 is the closest - 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamahaSHO 375 Posted February 19 I have had CT-120's, A-55-G's, and Crites A4500's in my La Scalas for quite some time and have been very happy with them. I haven't run a sweep on them yet, but I did recently run one on my Heresy's with the same 2 drivers as above. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mustang_flht 786 Posted February 19 4 hours ago, Davedev07 said: I added the Ct120 and the a/4500 crossover to my 70’s LaScalas, which had the original AL crossover.. It seems like the are overly harsh. Very detailed, yes, I read these crossover move the crossover point to 4500, and maybe that is part of the issue? Any recommendations on what to try and tame them abit? Thanks Davedev07 Hi @Davedev07 If you want to keep A4500, you can reduce the DE120 a bit by a few db with an Lpad, it will only cost you a handful of dollars for the resistors. http://www.mh-audio.nl/Calculators/att.html https://www.parts-express.com/search?order=pricelevel12:asc&keywords=dpr10 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henry4841 313 Posted February 19 I highly recommend what Mustang said. I do not think moving the crossover point has any bearing on what you are hearing. I would recommend these. https://www.parts-express.com/L-Pad-15W-Mono-3-8-Shaft-8-Ohm-260-248 Easy peasy to install. Center pin goes to horn. If either one of the other pins hooked up wrong the L-pad will just be in reverse. Increase the wattage if you want but 15 watt is plenty good enough. Tweeter never sees a continuous 15 watts, doubtful even a peak 5 watts. The driver for the horn is the culprit. Needs some attenuation to suit your taste. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davedev07 2 Posted February 21 All, thanks for the feedback. The comment that the a/4500 can be attenuated? How is that done? I have not found any feedback on how that is done.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mustang_flht 786 Posted February 21 Hi, If you want to reduce your 8ohm tweeter by 2.8 db, use R1 = 2.2ohm and R2 = 22ohm If you want to reduce your 8ohm tweeter by 2.2 db, use R1 = 1.8 ohm and R2 = 27ohm ... https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/attenuators/l-pad-attenuator.html You have to put the R1 and R2 between the network and the tweeter If the resistance value R1 or R2 does not exist put 2 resistance in parallel to make the right value, for example for a reduction of 3db, we have R1 = 5.6 + 3.9 = 2.3 and R2 = 33 + 47 = 19.4 (I rounded the values and results a bit, but it's ok) 2.3 (5.6 + 3.9) 19.4 (33 + 47) 8 3 list of values R1 R2 impedance reduce db 2.8 (6.8 + 4.7) 15 8 3.7 2.8 (6.8 + 4.7) 16 (33+47+90) 8.1 3.7 2.8 (6.8 + 4.7) 17.1 (27+47) 8.2 3.6 2.5 (6.8 + 3.9) 17.1 (27+47) 8 3.3 2.4 (4.7 + 4.7) 18 8 3.1 2.3 (5.6 + 3.9) 19.4 (33 + 47) 8 3 2.2 22 8 2.8 2 (3.3 + 5.6) 24 (39+68) 8 2.5 1.8 27 8 2.2 1.7 (2.2+6.8) 31 (47+90) 8 2 1 (1.2+8.2) 56 8 1 😋 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wvu80 6534 Posted February 21 5 hours ago, mustang_flht said: If you want to reduce your 8ohm tweeter by 2.8 db, use R1 = 2.2ohm and R2 = 22ohm If you want to reduce your 8ohm tweeter by 2.2 db, use R1 = 1.8 ohm and R2 = 27ohm ... You have to put the R1 and R2 between the network and the tweeter For reference: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mustang_flht 786 Posted February 22 Hi, I see that there is an autoformer on this network, if they have different sockets, it can perhaps be lowered by 2db without putting an Lpad. this is what you meant @wvu80 😎 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henry4841 313 Posted February 22 20 hours ago, Davedev07 said: All, thanks for the feedback. The comment that the a/4500 can be attenuated? How is that done? I have not found any feedback on how that is done.. Easy to do with L-pads from parts express. Directions come with L-pad. You will need two, one for each channel. Just remember center pin goes to positive + of the driver. If you reverse the outside pins the L-pad will just work in reverse. https://www.parts-express.com/L-Pad-15W-Mono-3-8-Shaft-8-Ohm-260-248 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henry4841 313 Posted February 22 3 hours ago, mustang_flht said: Hi, I see that there is an autoformer on this network, if they have different sockets, it can perhaps be lowered by 2db without putting an Lpad. this is what you meant @wvu80 😎 You cannot do that with the original Klipsch design crossovers without upsetting the crossover frequencies. ALK sells crossovers that can be done that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davedev07 2 Posted February 25 On 2/22/2021 at 5:59 AM, henry4841 said: Easy to do with L-pads from parts express. Directions come with L-pad. You will need two, one for each channel. Just remember center pin goes to positive + of the driver. If you reverse the outside pins the L-pad will just work in reverse. https://www.parts-express.com/L-Pad-15W-Mono-3-8-Shaft-8-Ohm-260-248 I got the L pads, I’ll let you know how they work. Thanks 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites