stygz Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I am looking for something that is going to fill a 2900 cuft room better than my PB1000. I am torn between the PB2000, PC2000, and Klisch R-115SW. I should mention my room is listed at 2900 cuft but that does not include the open concept. I really like the SVS trade in program. It would cost me about $380 to upgrade but I can get the Klipsch for about $125 less. I really dont have the ability to go with duals though unless I went with smaller SVS SB2000's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nismo Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 What area seems to be lacking? Extension or output? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nismo Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 ....I really dont have the ability to go with duals though unless I went with smaller SVS SB2000's. With my room size, I can go with sealed options & for years I had dual (unmatched) 12" subs in place. When it came time for upgrade considerations, output was not an issue... I was looking for: 1) Matching subs 2) Subs that dug a bit deeper I have to say (at least in my space), once you go dual's... I have no interest in a single sub setup. Right now, I actually have dual SB-2000's & they are nice. But in my space they only clicked one of my boxes: Matching Subs. Everything else was a lateral move, & in my instance not enough difference for a true "upgrade" (especially for the $$$ spent). So, I'm actually sending mine back (after only 30 days). But, if I was starting fresh, or needed to replace a dead or defective sub... the SB-2000 would be an excellent choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Stygz, it sounds like the space may be a little larger than 2900 counting other open space. I is hard to recommend anything without a FR to see what is going on in the room. I would say try matching 15's vented subs. I know in my space a simple adjustment of the Q, bandwidth at 20 Hz can cost me 6 or 7 db's on the extension. I would need 2 or 3 more subs to overcome that with out the EQ adjustment. Edited October 13, 2015 by derrickdj1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stygz Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 What area seems to be lacking? Extension or output? Output. It seems that under lower volumes the PB1000 seems to be fine but when I turn up the volume the PB1000 does not keep up with the RF62's. However, I think the PB1000 seems to hit low enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stygz Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 Here is an attachment of the floor plan. The system is set up in the great room. The flexroom, foyer, and kitchen are all open. houseplan.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stygz Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 Would it be fair to say the R115SW has more output than the PB2000/PC2000? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 It's hard to find output specs on the SVS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 It's hard to find output specs on the SVS. It has become harder and harder the more I know about subs and room interaction to make blind sub recommendations for people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nismo Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Just speaking in general terms, with your room size if your looking for more output, you're best suited for 15" options rather than 12". Also given the budget & room size... ported or vented options would the route to consider. You might have to make the upgrade in stages... because based on your room, it might be hard to be happy with just one sub. My space is smaller 1600cu feet & I have dual 15" on the way. You might have to eventually go with dual (or maybe even 3) 15's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stygz Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 Yes, it seems there is difficulty with finding SVS specs such as those. Probably right about the 15". I could actually buy 2 R-115SW for the price of a single PB12 plus. Nismo- looking at your set up it seems I pretty much have a baby version of your stuff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I could actually buy 2 R-115SW for the price of a single PB12 plus. That's where I'd start then. Open floor plans eat up bass. You'll need as much woofage as you can afford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nismo Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Yes, it seems there is difficulty with finding SVS specs such as those. Probably right about the 15". I could actually buy 2 R-115SW for the price of a single PB12 plus. Nismo- looking at your set up it seems I pretty much have a baby version of your stuff Haa, your're right! But your space is also larger than mine, which would benefit from a 15".... or (if budget allows) a pair of 15's. Don't get me wrong, the SB-2000's were great, just didn't qualify as a significant "upgrade" for my needs (my existing subs were in perfectly working condition). Earlier, I did bring home the substantial PSA XS30se with (front & rear) dual 15" drivers. I experienced a few technical issues with it & ultimately had to return it. Placement was also tricky in my space with dual drivers, & I only had (1) XS30se in place, so that was a lot of output & extension coming from one side of the room & made the room unbalanced. But when it was working well... (despite making the room unbalance) it was impressive with both extension & output. The perfect solution for me is that there is a 15" single driver version of the (dual driver) XS30se.... the XS15se. That way I can have (2) XS15's in my room, making it balanced & even. Plus (at 18 x 17 x 19.5 tall), the XS15 has a much smaller footprint than the larger XS30 (18 x 23.5 x 22.5), making placement even easier. For quite some time the XS15 was out of production, but PSA is bringing them back for a small production run, they will be ready in a week or two. If you can swing it, consider the XS15se from PSA. But, since production run is limited, if you want dual subs (2)... get them both now, because you might not be able to get another one later down the road. http://www.powersoundaudio.com/collections/subwoofers/products/xs15se?variant=3425544068 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Watch out for that carlooch guy, he'll have you building an IB sub or some monster horn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nismo Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Note: The reason I switched gears & brought up the possibility of dual XS15se (from PSA)... is that you also mentioned you could possibly swing dual Klipsch R-115SW's. Dual XS15's are only $60 more than dual R-115SW. And, dual XS15se, have a smaller footprint than the R-115SW (& has more output 550w continuous with PSA vs 400w continuous with Klipsch). Edited October 13, 2015 by Nismo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Watch out for that carlooch guy, he'll have you building an IB sub or some monster horn Who meeeee?????? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Those in room extension numbers are meaningless. If there is not enough spl behind the extension-you get nil! I guess it is just marketing without taking into account room size, room location, ect. Edited October 13, 2015 by derrickdj1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paducah Home Theater Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Dual XS15's are only $60 more than dual R-115SW. Man that is $1,600. Anybody wanting to drop that kind of coin needs to be looking at DIY. You could get four 18's, an iNuke 6000, and have over $500 left over for your wood and terminals which is way more than enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nismo Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Not sure where you get $1600. Dual R-115SW: $1440 Dual PSA XS15se: $1499 Plus they both include shipping & 30 day trial... with free return shipping if need. $1,000 - $1,500 is pretty standard for subs in that category. I'll leave the R&D to the experts. Same for the research, learning curve, required tools & equipment for a DIY project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nismo Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Those in room extension numbers are meaningless. If there is not enough spl behind the extension-you get nil! I guess it is just marketing without taking into account room size, room location, ect. Just a generic chart for comparison. Every room is different with any speaker. I've demo'd the big brother (dual driver) XS30se & the extension is superior to that of the SVS SB-2000, no question. The (single driver version) the XS15se should also best the SB-2000. In a few weeks I'll know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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