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I saw Mr. Edison's original Post #1.  He had all kinds of technical problems from the board software, not his fault. 

 

His post was repeated three times, and even with the Mod's help in deleting the extra threads, this thread which I think is his post #1 again, posted the banner headline but had nothing in the Post #1, not even his question.

 

So I was being a smartarse until the mods can jump in and help him again.

 

Buy the Klipsch Mr. Edison, you won't regret it.  B)

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Okay,  I have dual BIC PL200s currently.   Considering dual SVS PB2000s or dual Klipsch R115sw subs.   Room 2400 cf, open to dining room, hall to kitchen, and 800 cf sun room.  Limited locations for subs due to WAF.  Second sub hidden behind my EZ chair at rear wall.   Front sub located  left wall 1/4 from front wall and next to couch (limited visibility, DW doesn't share my passion for black boxes in the living room).   Non negotiable.  <g>  Needed second sub because first sub was too locatable (much better with two).   Klipsch RP280, RC450, R15 rears, & Onkyo 836.  Mainly movies,  but I love music (not Rap).   Not as happy with the BICs for music (a little too boomy).   Everyone seems to like the ID subs,  but I can get the two Klipsch subs cheaper via mail order than the SVS.  Am I going to get more output from the Klipsch merely because of the bigger woofer size, despite smaller amp?  The SVS have the same driver size as the BICs.  I guess what I'm asking is will the two subs I've mentioned be that much of an improvement output-wise over my BICs?  I won't take a loss, my extra equipment will be going to my basement man cave for those times DW wants to binge on Lifetime and Hallmark.

Thanks

Sorry about all the confusion.  But I'm back in the States and on my home computer.  Hopefully no more server problems.  Fourth times the charm.  LOL

edison.

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If music is high priority I personally would skip the r-115sw and go with the Svs. And as far as output over the bic? You will have much more, much lower, and much tighter output from the Svs subs. They have. 45 day trial. Order them and find out for yourself. They won't be going back I promise. Also if you end up going with Klipsch for some reason shop around.

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So I was being a smartarse until the mods can jump in and help him again.

 

Buy the Klipsch Mr. Edison, you won't regret it.  B)

 

Thanks, wvu, it was a vexing problem.  I was on vacation in the Caribbean in a hotel with horrendous WIFI.  One minute I'd have a connection, the next it would go poof.  It was really a PITA since I was on my cell phone trying to post.  Never had that problem before.  Darling wife loved it since I couldn't stay glued to the phone or tablet.  

 

So that's one vote for the Klipsch.    

edison

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Just wanted those who responded know that I picked up a pair of Klipsch R115s yesterday. Visited my local Magnolia store to look at and possible pick up a pair of PB2000s. Not only did they not have any, the salesmen had no idea what they were (only featured Bowers & Wilkens). On the way home I stopped at a high end audio store and it had the Klipsch speakers in stock. They went home with me and for what I would have paid from a sin city mail order vendor. Boy these things are huge.

Still tweaking. Ran the Onkyo EQ program and it set the sub level at -15db. Turned the sub level down and re-ran the calibration program and got a -6db setting. Of course I goosed it to -3db.

I realize the speakers aren't broken in yet, but I'd have to say the sound is more refined, cleaner, & effortless. I know that wasn't a quantifiable statement, but I don't know how better to explain it.

Thanks to those who responded. I really did listen (Scrappy), but I couldn't pass up the deal I got.

edison

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I'm not sure how that particular sub breaks in.  I've come to accept it's not one-size-fits all anymore.  I had a speaker that took well over a month to break-in, the 10" Eminence woofer was unbelievably stiff.  OTOH I had a DIY sub that sounded great right out of the box.  I'm thinking your subs sound good with no break-in.

 

Several forum members have the same sub you have so maybe we'll get some better information from them on break-in and setup.

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Like my opinion or not; your choice. There is no such thing as break-in for stereo equipment that you will ever HEAR; it does apply to piston rings and cam lobes/ lifters on a newly started, over hauled, internal combustion engine.

 

My opinion is that IF your speaker (sub) cone requires 'break in' then you were sold a bill of goods and the dealer wanted your ears to become accoustomed to the sound. It wasn't the speaker breaking in, it was your ears. The ONLY possible mechanical break-in would be the flexiblity of the cone material and if I paid any decent money for a speaker then that da**mn thing had better be 'excercised' before deilvery.

 

Hey, just me.

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Like my opinion or not; your choice. There is no such thing as break-in for stereo equipment that you will ever HEAR

 

 

I have no problem with differences of opinion.  :)

 

I assure you if we both listened to my Fusion 10 Pure speakers with the Eminence 10" pro woofs when new, and again in a month we both would hear a HUGE difference.  Those woofs were super stiff and hardly made any sound at all.

 

My then-new speakers were dull, lifeless, and had no dynamics, I was pretty unhappy with them.  A month later and they started sounding better.  A year later and they now they sound GREAT, they just keep sounding better and better.  They now have a huge sound, great dynamics and will bring you right out of your seat if you decide to play them loud.

 

I know that's not your experience, and that's OK.  That was my experience as well until I heard mine.  BTW my Klipsch RW-12d sub sounded great right out of the box, no break-in needed.

 

The Fusion 10 Pure from DIY Soundgroup is in black.

 

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As far as localization, the setup of the sub was not optimal. The sub was to far from mains, gain turned up to hig, XO setup/EQ. Replacement subs may not solve the problem if the above factors are not addressed.

I understand the placement of the first sub may have been less than optimal, but the addition of the second sub did clear up the localization issue. All EQ setup was handled by the receiver.

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There is no such thing as break-in for stereo equipment that you will ever HEAR

 

The ONLY possible mechanical break-in would be the flexiblity of the cone material 

 

I don't agree with this at all.  My UltiMax subs were very stiff, so music was very muffled at first.  After maybe 100 hours it opened up and was very defined up high.  SPL seemed to increase down low as well.  

 

And it's not the flexibility of the cone, it's all about the suspension, the spider and the surround.  The cone itself has nothing to do with it.  If your cone becomes flexible after a short period of time then you've got issues.  

 

That being said, the subs on Klipsch 15's are nothing like these stiffer monsters.  If that's what you're drawing your experience on then I'm sure your statements are correct in your mind.  Otherwise though, there's a reason why the data-bass guy goes through a free-air break-in procedure on every separate sub that he tests.  

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I agree that break in is in fact useful and does make a huge difference,as a former car stereo spl competitor I bought my competiton woofers straight from the builder, these woofers had suspensions you could actually stand on,they were totally useless as far as music went,

 

But after break in and use, after a while instead of an spl sub you would end up with an sql sub. Night and day difference in the same sub... 

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A couple of points.  1) Place your subs in opposite walls in your room to smooth out the response.  2) Place your subs on the same wall and/or same corners and it will increase output.  Harman Kardon has produced white papers on a lot of topics and one of those topics is optimum sub number and placement.  They have a couple of papers you should check out - the first one on the page and the 5th one. 

 

http://www.harman.com/EN-US/OurCompany/Innovation/Pages/WhitePapers.aspx

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Hey! I haven't had time to read your full post and thread, but I would like to mention to you from personal experience that if you have never tried HSU subs I would give them a serious look and consideration. I have owned Klipsch and SVS subs as well as several brick and mortor brands. While I can not and will not say anything bad about my svs (PC12+ and PC13 Ultra), I can and most definitely WILL say that my HSU VTF15H subs are without a doubt the best bang for your buck of any subs that I have heard to date. Now that Dr Hsu has made some upgrades with the intro of the MK2's  I personally wouldn't even ever consider looking at another brand of sub for both home theater and music unless I was willing to spend much more money. Good luck with your decision regardless of which direction you Choose to go! Happy Hoildays!

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