Cantilope Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 FYI - K510/69 or the Grand HF-T K510/1133 the prices delivered will be $1863 for the pair with the K1133 driver and $1847 with the K69 driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 What about the Fastrac Belle horns? Seems "reasonable" at $475 for the pair versus $750+. Any downside to these? I wish I knew more about building horns since the cabinet building is no big deal. But I don't know the philosophy in them. http://www.fastlaneaudio.com/fastrac-belle.html My opinion.... one benefit of buying a K510 or 402 is... it's a Klipsch design. I can still say I have a Klipsch speaker in my home. Designed and tested by them (so you know it's going to work....and it does) Not to knock anyone else but I wonder if open air or backyard or quiet room testing would be as accurate as the anechoic chamber at Klipsch? Aside from all that, I've liked their speakers ever since I first heard them (1978) and like the idea of supporting them. Maybe I'm just OCD. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 OK...not too economical for me. Ha. Thanks for the info! I'm sure they're awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 FYI - K510/69 or the Grand HF-T K510/1133 the prices delivered will be $1863 for the pair with the K1133 driver and $1847 with the K69 driver. isnt that 402 pricing almost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) For a small format driver the DH 1506 is a nice one and it fits very well to the CF3/4 horn. I am using a DH1A fitted with a double cutaway Karlson K-Tube, the extender nose cup of the DH1A has been removed and it is now a 1.4" exit driver with a three inch diaphragm which is a very nice compromise I thought I had a side-by-side pic of the DH1506 beside the DH1A, but I guess not. Until you see that 24 pound DH1A live and in person, you can't believe how big it is. The 12 pound 1506 is half the size of the DH1A, which is in turn half the size of the CF-4's K-63-KN, 5 pounds. The horn looks goofy on the backside because it has 10 oz of pure silicon caulk to dampen it. Edited November 4, 2015 by wvu80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minermark Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 For a small format driver the DH 1506 is a nice one and it fits very well to the CF3/4 horn. I am using a DH1A fitted with a double cutaway Karlson K-Tube, the extender nose cup of the DH1A has been removed and it is now a 1.4" exit driver with a three inch diaphragm which is a very nice compromise I thought I had a side-by-side pic of the DH1506 beside the DH1A, but I guess not. Until you see that 24 pound DH1A live and in person, you can't believe how big it is. EV DH1A IMG_0064.JPG The 12 pound 1506 is half the size of the DH1A, which is in turn half the size of the CF-4's K-63-KN, 5 pounds. The horn looks goofy on the backside because it has 10 oz of pure silicon caulk to dampen it. IMG_4258.JPG Now that is a driver, i like to see over the top lifetime lasting kickazz drivers. Dampning is a great idea too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David H Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) What about the Fastrac Belle horns? Seems "reasonable" at $475 for the pair versus $750+. Any downside to these? I wish I knew more about building horns since the cabinet building is no big deal. But I don't know the philosophy in them. http://www.fastlaneaudio.com/fastrac-belle.html My opinion.... one benefit of buying a K510 or 402 is... it's a Klipsch design. I can still say I have a Klipsch speaker in my home. Designed and tested by them (so you know it's going to work....and it does) Not to knock anyone else but I wonder if open air or backyard or quiet room testing would be as accurate as the anechoic chamber at Klipsch? Aside from all that, I've liked their speakers ever since I first heard them (1978) and like the idea of supporting them. Maybe I'm just OCD. I am also a Klipsch fan, just not so impressed with the exponential horns. Dave Edited November 5, 2015 by GotHover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David H Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 What about the Fastrac Belle horns? The Fastrac Belle horn is designed for 3-way use, and would not be the best choice for a 2-way system. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Dave, You beat me to it. I know you wouldn't want to steer the OP in the wrong direction. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 Yes, if I used the Fastrac horn, I'd be going three way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David H Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Yes, if I used the Fastrac horn, I'd be going three way. I like 3 way, and the simplicity of a passive crossover. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 I've got most everything graphed out in Excel for the cut pieces but I have a few questions about a couple of pieces. On the top section, what is the length on the side section (circled in red) in the pictures? I know it's 8-1/2" tall but what about depth? Are there any more concrete dimensions on the top section? I thought I'd found them all. Also, on the back wall of the cabinet where the woofer fires through the 13" x 3" opening, there are 2 pieces that resemble a wide "V" shape for directing low frequencies to the corners. Are there any measurements for these out there plus the angles on both ends? I circled them in green in the last picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TasDom Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I've got most everything graphed out in Excel for the cut pieces but I have a few questions about a couple of pieces. On the top section, what is the length on the side section (circled in red) in the pictures? I know it's 8-1/2" tall but what about depth? Are there any more concrete dimensions on the top section? I thought I'd found them all. Also, on the back wall of the cabinet where the woofer fires through the 13" x 3" opening, there are 2 pieces that resemble a wide "V" shape for directing low frequencies to the corners. Are there any measurements for these out there plus the angles on both ends? I circled them in green in the last picture. The side piece you circled measures 14 1/2" on my Belle's. added some attachments in case you don't have them KlipschBelle-1-3.pdf KlipschBelle-2-3.pdf KlipschBelle-3-3.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 Thanks very much. I do have those already plans thanks to that thread from back in 2004. Here's the link to another one I had remembered seeing at one point but didn't bookmark. https://community.klipsch.com/forums/storage/3/1009906/Belle_LATEST.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TasDom Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Here's another... Belle_LATEST.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantilope Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/153248-building-a-belle/ I did a drawing that is within this thread, pretty sure I got those measurements and the cut angles. There is also one in there that accommodates the K510. Edited November 5, 2015 by Cantilope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 Thaaaaattt's the other thread I was trying to find and bookmark. Thanks for chiming in on this! Still deliberating on what to do on top half. Two way is still the simplest for the crossover as I could go either passive single or bi-amp or go active and bi-amp. The beauty is that it could change along the way and be switched out by separating the top and bottom piece of the "top hat" and changing the side pieces and grill to go to something else. Not at that point yet, though. Main cabinets first, then decide on top. Thanks again for the info and link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) On the Eliptrac 400, are there plans for making the wood cut pieces by someone in their own shop or is the only real way to do them with a CNC machine? What's kit run? I didn't see the price on the website? Edited November 9, 2015 by avguytx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) And on another note, I have access to JBL Selenium drivers for very good prices from a long time friend. Has anyone used those with good results in any of the Klipsch Heritage speakers or otherwise? Edited November 9, 2015 by avguytx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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