Guest David H Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Dave, on the Eliptrac 400, are there plans for making the wood cut pieces by someone in their own shop or is the only real way to do them with a CNC machine? What's the cost of the 400 kit? It would be pretty tough to build to build that horn without a CNC machine. It is against policy to do any business related dealings on the forums, and there is currently at least one moderator itching to deal out points and ban members. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 Oops. I apologize. I'll modify that post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moray james Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/152255-k69a-vs-k1132/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) Maybe I should've posted this here instead of the other thread.... Back to the Belle building again as I'm going to order more parts. Again, as much as I'd love to go hog wild on drivers and horns, I just can't...I'm having to be economical to start. I've also thought about the JBL Selenium D250-X/HM25-25 combo for the midrange as it's reasonable and seems to get favorable reviews. But, I need horn opinions, of course. I'll be sitting about 12 feet away from these ran off of a 10wpc tube amp. Mid driver http://www.jblpro.com/ProductAttachments/D250-X_SpecSheet.pdf Horn https://www.jblpro.com/ProductAttachments/HM25-25_SpecSheet.pdf Maybe the D202ti tweeter or Crites CT120 or 125's. Still undecided. For sure going with K-33 woofers; could still work with K-55 and K-77 but most seemed to get changed out for something else. Thus, the idea of going Selenium. But that also makes me wonder if the Selenium 15" woofers would work in that horn. Thoughts and opinions? Edited December 18, 2015 by avguytx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zobsky Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Haven't got around to finishing these (other stuff to deal with over the summer),.. but here's the path I took with 2 way belles . There are some results etc on this forum too. http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/subwoofers/268959-zobsky-contemplates-variation-belle-klipsch.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) No thoughts on the JBL drivers or did I say a bad word in using those? It won't hurt with the mid and tweeter being side by side versus like they are with the original drivers? Edited December 23, 2015 by avguytx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 The most economical 2-way looks to be an Altec 511B and 802 or 902 driver. That will let you try 2-way for $1000 or less. You'll need at least a 12 dB high pass filter at 500 Hz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 I've owned 2 pairs of Valencia's over the years. Wasn't impressed at all with either pair or the 811/806 combo on highs. Great midrange but that's about where it ended for me. Plus I'd have to hide those ugly horns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzannucci Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Maybe I should've posted this here instead of the other thread.... Back to the Belle building again as I'm going to order more parts. Again, as much as I'd love to go hog wild on drivers and horns, I just can't...I'm having to be economical to start. I've also thought about the JBL Selenium D250-X/HM25-25 combo for the midrange as it's reasonable and seems to get favorable reviews. But, I need horn opinions, of course. I'll be sitting about 12 feet away from these ran off of a 10wpc tube amp. Mid driver http://www.jblpro.com/ProductAttachments/D250-X_SpecSheet.pdf Horn https://www.jblpro.com/ProductAttachments/HM25-25_SpecSheet.pdf Maybe the D202ti tweeter or Crites CT120 or 125's. Still undecided. For sure going with K-33 woofers; could still work with K-55 and K-77 but most seemed to get changed out for something else. Thus, the idea of going Selenium. But that also makes me wonder if the Selenium 15" woofers would work in that horn. Thoughts and opinions? I have the D250x mated with 511 horns. Since I did a 3 way, the highs are using a D210ti (which looks to be replaced by a D202ti) with a Selenium HM17-25 horn. This combo works well crossed at about 4500hz to the tweeter and 550/600hz to a set of double Focal 13v 7511 woofers. Not exactly as you are saying but I can tell you the D250x is a pretty darn good driver as is the D210 (most likely the 202 is very similar). On the cheap or not, those are not a bad option. Woofers weren't on the cheap but were laying around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Those Focal woofers are nice. I used those a lot back in my car audio days. I may end up starting with the JBL on top end with K-33 woofers for low end and see where that gets me. It'll be easy enough to change the top section if I decide to go another route later. What crossover did you go with? I would imagine I'll need to compensate for compression drivers. Thanks for the input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzannucci Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Those Focal woofers are nice. I used those a lot back in my car audio days. I may end up starting with the JBL on top end with K-33 woofers for low end and see where that gets me. It'll be easy enough to change the top section if I decide to go another route later. What crossover did you go with? I would imagine I'll need to compensate for compression drivers. Thanks for the input. I did my own crossovers, 12db per octave. Considering my 2 Focals are around as efficient as the K-33 (approx.), I used of Bob C's Autoformers and dropped it around 11/12db. Large 511 horn, efficient driver, and hard surfaces in the room required the high attenuation. Depending on the room, you may get away with a lot less compensation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David H Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Do you have some drivers in mind? The D250-x is ok, not great. If you are looking for a budget 2-way, you might consider the Faital pro HF-140 on the LTH-142. Bob Crites did some work with this combo, and got favorable results. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossman Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Do you have some drivers in mind? The D250-x is ok, not great. Dave, in your opinion how does the sound quality of the D250X compare to a K-55? I know the frequency responses, and efficiency are different. Just want to hear an opinion on the sound quality once the crossover has been set. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzannucci Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Not trying to answer for Dave but he had posted some info here: https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/118582-selenium-d250x/?hl=d250x Depending on the lower and upper crossover, along with the horn it is attached to, the D250x can be a very reasonable driver, especially with the price consideration. If you try to push it as low or high compared to the k-55, then the D250x is definitely not going to cut it but cross it around 500/600 and 3500/4k and it does very well. Perhaps Dave has the distortion plots that I believe Al K. did a long time ago. That will tell the other part of the story. Also if you use the D250x make sure you take it apart and damp the back chamber with some foam. That will clean up the response some. The keys will be 1. budget, 2. crossover points and 3. horn. Definitely won't work in a 2 way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David H Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Depending on the lower and upper crossover, along with the horn it is attached to, the D250x can be a very reasonable driver, especially with the price consideration. If you try to push it as low or high compared to the k-55, then the D250x is definitely not going to cut it but cross it around 500/600 and 3500/4k and it does very well. I agree with this statement. With the right crossover, this driver is certainly acceptable. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 Sounds like it would be worth it to get a pair of K-55/Atlas PD-5VH mid drivers and call it good. Team those with the K-33's and a pair of Crites or EV tweeters and be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David H Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Sounds like it would be worth it to get a pair of K-55/Atlas PD-5VH mid drivers and call it good. Team those with the K-33's and a pair of Crites or EV tweeters and be done. That works. K-33, Crites, or Eminence 15C Plenty of good tweeters to choose from. B&C, Crites, Eminence etc. Enjoy your project. Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I've owned 2 pairs of Valencia's over the years. Wasn't impressed at all with either pair or the 811/806 combo on highs. Great midrange but that's about where it ended for me. Plus I'd have to hide those ugly horns. I'm sure! The 806 struggles to respond over 12k. The x02's get to 18k and above well enough. They have different diaphragm and the x02 is low power, 10 watts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossman Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Not trying to answer for Dave but he had posted some info here: https://community.kl...d250x/?hl=d250x Depending on the lower and upper crossover, along with the horn it is attached to, the D250x can be a very reasonable driver, especially with the price consideration. If you try to push it as low or high compared to the k-55, then the D250x is definitely not going to cut it but cross it around 500/600 and 3500/4k and it does very well. Perhaps Dave has the distortion plots that I believe Al K. did a long time ago. That will tell the other part of the story. Also if you use the D250x make sure you take it apart and damp the back chamber with some foam. That will clean up the response some. The keys will be 1. budget, 2. crossover points and 3. horn. Definitely won't work in a 2 way. Thank you Pzannucci for the very helpful information. I agree with this statement. With the right crossover, this driver is certainly acceptable. Dave And Thank You Dave for your very helpful information as well. Very much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 -love the elliptrac 400 horns --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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