elviszappa Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 It's been a number of years since Klipsch released the Heresy III ... has anybody gotten a schematic of its crossover? I have seen a few pictures and it looks very different from H II's. I would like to see what they have improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David H Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 It's been a number of years since Klipsch released the Heresy III ... has anybody gotten a schematic of its crossover? I have seen a few pictures and it looks very different from H II's. I would like to see what they have improved. Because this is a current production speaker, I think the moderators would frown upon this schematic being shared here. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 So, there are no current production crossovers posted on this site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David H Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 So, there are no current production crossovers posted on this site? I didn't say that, I only suggested it might be frowned upon. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 " I would like to see what they have improved." No autoformer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 So, there are no current production crossovers posted on this site?I didn't say that, I only suggested it might be frowned upon.Dave I didn't say that you said that, I only asked a question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I guess a picture couldn't hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Thanks Carl. Would you mind taking a minute to draw out that schematic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Thanks Carl. Would you mind taking a minute to draw out that schematic? I could probably simulate it with tinker toys. Let me see what colors and shapes I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/138929-so-did-kilpsch-really-dump-the-autotransformer-on-the-heresy-iii-crossover/?p=1560554 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) " I would like to see what they have improved." No autoformer. I like the autoformer. The new designs are solid, but while the steeper slopes reduce distortion, the higher part count with the Mylar capacitors just sucks the life out of the music. There is no technical way of describing that last part -- I just find myself getting a little fidgety in the listening chair, easily distracted, and then finally just bored. Edited November 20, 2015 by Deang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 "I like the autoformer. The new designs are solid, but while the steeper slopes reduce distortion, the higher part count with the Mylar capacitors just sucks the life out of the music. There is no technical way of describing that last part -- I just find myself getting a little fidgety in the listening chair, easily distracted, and then finally just bored. " In general I would agree, I'm sure the change was mainly driven by cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) I am extraordinarily happy with my H3's. I cannot tell you how happy I am that my ears stop just short of hearing all of the things you guys hear. And I wouldn't know what a mylar capacitor was if it bit me in the butt. Sitting here in ignorant bliss with no desire to rip open a perfectly great speaker to try to make it "better". Edited November 25, 2015 by Kevin S 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted November 25, 2015 Klipsch Employees Share Posted November 25, 2015 " I would like to see what they have improved." No autoformer. I like the autoformer. The new designs are solid, but while the steeper slopes reduce distortion, the higher part count with the Mylar capacitors just sucks the life out of the music. There is no technical way of describing that last part -- I just find myself getting a little fidgety in the listening chair, easily distracted, and then finally just bored. That is right deano!!! Our goal is too SUCK every bit of life out of the music.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted November 25, 2015 Klipsch Employees Share Posted November 25, 2015 "I like the autoformer. The new designs are solid, but while the steeper slopes reduce distortion, the higher part count with the Mylar capacitors just sucks the life out of the music. There is no technical way of describing that last part -- I just find myself getting a little fidgety in the listening chair, easily distracted, and then finally just bored. " In general I would agree, I'm sure the change was mainly driven by cost. "I like the autoformer. The new designs are solid, but while the steeper slopes reduce distortion, the higher part count with the Mylar capacitors just sucks the life out of the music. There is no technical way of describing that last part -- I just find myself getting a little fidgety in the listening chair, easily distracted, and then finally just bored. " In general I would agree, I'm sure the change was mainly driven by cost. That is so true.....or......maybe....just by luck....with the stars lining up right..... Lifting my left leg up......holding my mouth just right.....we were trying to make it better!!!! Naw! No chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Aw c'mon Roy, those Mylars are terrible and you know it. It's okay, we don't blame you, we know you're held hostage by the bean counters. :-) The Heresy IIIs sound very good, I heard them in Indy when they were first released. Everyone thought they were much improved over the II. However, I still prefer the original Heresy with the Type E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted November 26, 2015 Klipsch Employees Share Posted November 26, 2015 Deano deano. Qualify it for me. Are we talking 10% distortion, 1% distortion, .1% distortion, .01% distortion, .001% distortion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Deano deano. Qualify it for me. Are we talking 10% distortion, 1% distortion, .1% distortion, .01% distortion, .001% distortion? You are my hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blvdre Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Deano deano. Qualify it for me. Are we talking 10% distortion, 1% distortion, .1% distortion, .01% distortion, .001% distortion? Just like our R&D guys. "The Xenon flash lamp quartz bulb cover can't be fogging up! There's nothing in the design that would outgas." Um, here are several affected lamps. "Shit, we can reproduce the failure mode, but we don't know why it's happening". They will figure out what to measure, eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Hi Roy, could I please have a little context with the question? Are you talking about the capacitors and their impact or total contribution to the distortion of the entire loudspeaker? If I'm remembering right, I think it's less than .001% or below the threshold of what the test equipment is capable of measuring. I paid for all of Bateman's articles and the tests published in Wireworld magazine -- all part of my search for an explanation of why I was hearing what I was hearing. Gratefully I've been relieved of this burden since learning it's all placebo and generated by my overactive imagination. Seriously though, with polyesters especially, I do hear what seems to be an issue related to noise -- a low level grainy quality, that miraculously disappears when I use film and foil or paper in oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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