derrickdj1 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) I think I need something to make the HDMI signal stronger to the projector due to the length of the cable run. Anyone with a similar problem and what was the solution. The projector does fine with most BD movies but, many times have to press the source search button for the projector to get it to pick of the signal. This is more a problem with Netfix. Picture quality is superb and no problems with audio once things are going. Edited January 29, 2016 by derrickdj1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted January 29, 2016 Moderators Share Posted January 29, 2016 Mine has occasional handshake issues as well. I just figured it was the Onkyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 That is what I thought at first but, the TV, BDP, ect have not problem. Their HMDI cables are no more that 6 ft. long. The projector cable goes thru the ceiling and wall and is around 30 ft. long. I have read that the HDMI signal drops a lot at around 16 ft, PQ may suffer due to long cable runs. Problems get very common at runs of 50-100 ft. Some of the extenders are powered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted January 29, 2016 Moderators Share Posted January 29, 2016 My Monoprice cable is 30'. I didn't have any issues until I upgraded my receiver from the Harman Kardon AVR3600 to the Onkyo TX-NR5008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Sargent Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 The way to go is with "active" HDMI cables. Got a couple at Monoprice.com and been happy with them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 Thanks for the info on active cables. It is always good to have multiple options. After 25ft they are no longer certified for high speed. Standard speed cables can carry 1080p but it depends on the device is why we only list them as 1080i/720p. Many newer devices though if all you want is 1080p can achieve that with standard speed cables, you only really need a standard speed cable if you are running both 3D and 1080p. - Nick M., Monoprice technical support Think of 25 feet as the magic barrier. You could go longer than that but you'd need to confirm that all of your devices will work with standard speed HDMI cables in order to view 1080p content without concerns. http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/going-the-extra-mile-maxing-out-cable-run-limits-in-your-home-170624 One of the glorious things about the traditional analog video formats is their robustness over distance. Our customers have run analog component video for hundreds of feet without so much as a booster box to keep the signal together. When DVI and HDMI first hit the market, many people had trouble running signals over even modest distances; 15 feet would be reliable, and anything longer was a gamble. That situation has improved, though HDMI will never rival analog video for reliability over distance. Here, we address why that is, and what you can expect if you need to run HDMI cable over distance http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/how-long-can-hdmi-run.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Pm me your address, I have the exact same one. New never used, I had an issue with an HDMI cable so I purchased that to try and fix it. Found out the hdmi cable was in backwards, apparently some of Monoprice's HDMI cables are directional. But its yours as I have no use for it and it will sit and collect dust. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted January 30, 2016 Author Share Posted January 30, 2016 Thanks duder. I will send a PM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swapface Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Have you considered HDMI over Cat5/Cat6? I have used this for runs of up 100' with no issues. Works like a charm. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted January 30, 2016 Moderators Share Posted January 30, 2016 Have you considered HDMI over Cat5/Cat6? I have used this for runs of up 100' with no issues. Works like a charm. We did this in our youth ministry at church. Believe it is a 100' - 125' run through the attic of our youth ministry building. I used Cat6 and the converters required two Cat6 cables. Works perfectly. Not sure what brand converter we are using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted January 30, 2016 Author Share Posted January 30, 2016 I have heard about this and if the extender does not work, I may look more into this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbruno Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 The cat5/6 extenders works just fine. My set up has it going through the basement and crawl to get from my components to the TV, about 75-90 ft. The first set I had was from a company called binary. Have to check and see what I am currently using. When I upgraded my AVR I needed to update it as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 I have used both of these with great results. http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=8008 http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=8121 The only thing I did not like about the wall plate one, was that you could only use their IR repeater. Other than that, both have been working great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted January 30, 2016 Author Share Posted January 30, 2016 This is all great info guys. This let's me know this problem is more common than I thought. This way I am not fussing at the avr/projector, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swapface Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Have you considered HDMI over Cat5/Cat6? I have used this for runs of up 100' with no issues. Works like a charm. We did this in our youth ministry at church. Believe it is a 100' - 125' run through the attic of our youth ministry building. I used Cat6 and the converters required two Cat6 cables. Works perfectly. Not sure what brand converter we are using. Yep, I used this in a church setting as well. Output from the main worship PC to a HDMI splitter then to the auditorium projector as well as multiple TVs in the lobby. And it does take two Ethernet cables per run. Used the same as duder1982 suggested in the first link. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang guy Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) I am using a pretty long (I think 50') monoprice cable to my projector at 1080p and it does fine. I think most of those cables are unidirectional and do boost the signal. Monoprice sells a Cabernet cable that is rated for 4K at up to 50'. http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=12962 EDIT: I just looked, and Monoprice sells a thing called an active HDMI cable. It is rated for 4K at 330'. Holy crap..... http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13702 Edited January 31, 2016 by mustang guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) I like the first one you suggested Craig. The second cable is $350, lol. I should have the HDMI extender this week that duder kindly sent to me. I will try and see if I have to consider some of these alternative. Netflix is the biggest hang-up. In between episodes on some movies the projector goes to the logo screen and you miss the first few minutes of the next episode. I don't know if the signal from Netflix is weaker coming thur the avr. With your screen in the garage, you should of had a pretty long cable run. Edited January 31, 2016 by derrickdj1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 Thanks duder, the extender arrived today. My initial observation is that it has improved the capture rate. It has solved around 70% of the delay problems. Which is great and much easier to live with. Netflix is the only streaming service with sometimes long delay problems between episodes. It may be something related to the way Netflix embeds there signal/code. Thank you very much for the extender and I will play with connecting the extender up multiples ways over the next couple of day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNRET Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I have done 50' Monoprice without issue and now I use these for relaying surveillance camera DVR output: http://www.intelix.com/intlx_prod_details.php?pitem=DIGI-HD-COAX2-R and the accompanying transmitter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I use 50ft, bought on eBay for $20 10 years ago, never had an issue with 10 different prepro/avrs. I have 50 ft to my projector and 40 to my pc. Both work great. If a cable 30ft don't work its bad cable, HDMI out issue, or other external issue. I've installed several in wall 40/50 ft runs of eBay cables for friends, same results. A booster may help overcome whatever the real problem is but I never consider any less than 50ft an issue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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