Moderators dtel Posted April 19, 2017 Moderators Share Posted April 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Coytee said: (with my luck, it will be a picture of a fish...) Well you said it, your luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 5 hours ago, dtel said: My vote, a horn sub without a doubt, you don't want a stinkin direct radiator sub. How do you think this sounds..pics........that sub (1802 in the center) replaced 2 684 subs, which is four 18" drivers, and the 684's didn't stand a chance, not even close., especially in detail and sound quality, and of course punch, it is a just much cleaner sound. Now I know it's a little big but kevin H is going for sound quality first, in his man cave. Before small phone pic 2 684's subs, after with 1802 sub...................Kevin uses the standard stuffed animal sound diffuser treatments, he's apparently a successful bow hunter. Hey there's that room full o horns again...No I keep tellin' ya them there is antlers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted April 20, 2017 Moderators Share Posted April 20, 2017 And the rest taste so good. Had to go back and look at pictures, there are 10 deer in that room and a bear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 On 4/15/2017 at 9:21 AM, Coytee said: Oh, and have the PDF handy so you can see what's next and where things go!! I did it the hard way, before I figured out your trick. I had a couple small problems. The master delay 1 & 2 has values 1.9 ms. on the dx 38, that was not on the chart. The second was the compressor settings and limiter. I could not zero those out, as they were not on the chart. Any advice ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 An intermediate-sized horn, you say? Maybe with mumps? Hmm, I think the appropriate comment is: 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 On 4/19/2017 at 5:09 PM, dtel said: And the rest taste so good. Had to go back and look at pictures, there are 10 deer in that room and a bear. Meanwhile, in Canada: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 8 hours ago, Islander said: Meanwhile, in Canada The mighty beaver. What can't they do ?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted April 21, 2017 Moderators Share Posted April 21, 2017 12 hours ago, Islander said: Meanwhile, in Canada: That's funny, one little beaver and tons of cows. 3 hours ago, Speed said: The mighty beaver. What can't they do ?! They can get people to do crazy things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Aahhhh- beaver. Them's good eatin' ------/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 11 hours ago, dtel said: That's funny, one little beaver and tons of cows. One beaver and 150 heifers. No bull. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 17 hours ago, richieb said: Aahhhh- beaver. Them's good eatin' ------/ I see what you did there... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 On 4/18/2017 at 11:16 PM, RSVRMAN said: The bass.......Oh the bass. It's very different from anything I've ever owned. Borrowing from Coytee, as he described how they pressurize the room, Hmm, I'm not getting that at all. I'd say mine is a little under whelming. My La Scala's with a KSW 15 had more bass. The K-402 is smooth, sounds the same anywhere in the house. Less harsh sounding, than my LS. So far, my review would have to be neutral... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 On 4/18/2017 at 11:16 PM, RSVRMAN said: oops, double post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSVRMAN Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 8 hours ago, Speed said: Hmm, I'm not getting that at all. I'd say mine is a little under whelming. My La Scala's with a KSW 15 had more bass. The K-402 is smooth, sounds the same anywhere in the house. Less harsh sounding, than my LS. So far, my review would have to be neutral... Wondering if you have all the settings correct? I did put a very small bump on the eq in the crossover. I'm not sure if you will watch movies at all. I know there are more out there with more infrasonic, but my go to for many years as a constant has been the pod race in Star Wars 1. I literally have stuff coming off the walls if I push it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 17 hours ago, Speed said: My La Scala's with a KSW 15 had more bass. Note that you're comparing a direct radiating (DR) subwoofer to dual Jubilee bass bins. What you might be hearing (perhaps for the first time) is bass without all the harmonic and modulation distortion that you get with a DR woofer. I see this a lot. It seems that many have imprinted on the higher distortion of DR woofers because of the higher frequency distortion harmonics and modulation sidebands are more audible than the undistorted bass fundamental frequencies. Ostensibly, this is due to being exposed to that sort of reproduced sound over time. In my listening experience, I first imprinted on acoustic double bass, pipe organ, and low brass (tuba, baritone, bass trombone) and woodwinds (contra-clarinet, contra-bassoon, etc.) so the sound of horn-loaded bass sounds like the real thing to my ears. I've also found that a couple of dB of boost around 31 Hz (with a parametric EQ filter "Q" of 3-6) does wonders to relieve that perceived lack of bass. (Your recordings will also have significantly less bass below ~100 Hz than they did when they were recorded in the studio, but that's another subject for another thread.) YMMV. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniper Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Something is not right here, I have never heard more clear, clean powerful bass from a two channel setup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 I believe that we're all assuming that both Jubilees are in full corners...and this might not be the case (i.e., a picture might help). Also, the location of the bass bins might be different than the location of the La Scalas and DR woofer, which plays into the "filling up corner vs. mid-wall room mode" thing. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 10 minutes ago, Chris A said: I believe that we're all assuming that both Jubilees are in full corners...and this might not be the case (i.e., a picture might help). Also, the location of the bass bins might be different than the location of the La Scalas and DR woofer, which plays into the "fulling up corner vs. midwall room mode" thing. Chris They are in full corners, exact spot as my LS's were in. I've listened to my LS in three different houses,with and without the sub,and I don't play the sub at overpowering levels. I'll play some different recordings, double check all my connections. I played both Crown amps in my Chorus 2 room, and they sounded fine. I do have the speaker wire connected to the top woofer, positive and negative. Is this correct ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwc Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 I do think that corner horns at times can't develop the needed bass in certain rooms. In a previous house, my main listening area was terrible with corner horns. Same as you, I had la scalas there and they worked great. In another room in that same house, corner horns worked better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 1 hour ago, juniper said: Something is not right here, I have never heard more clear, clean powerful bass from a two channel setup. That's what I'm thinking, and was expecting... I love bass in my music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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