Gnote Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 If I remember the subwoofer crawl correctly , put the sub in your main listening position and then go around the room to listen for where the sub sounds best,Once you find it place the the sub at that location 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 1 hour ago, IbizaFlame said: You might get some cleaner sound if you bypass the crossover network in the speaker, but I'd be skeptical if an AVR could handle that appropriately. My Onk 717 AVR 7.2 also has a specific setting in the menu for bi-amping. It does work for mid-range articulation, but it is subtle. You really have to have a critical ear to hear a difference, The manual tells you how to do the plumbing but it does NOT tell you what the electronic mechanism is. I would like to know the XO, how it divides the power, etc. I have asked "the Internet" on a couple of different sites and all I get is a guess, nobody has a definitive answer. I can "guess" too, but that doesn't help. What amazes me is that NOBODY knows and Onkyo isn't telling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Regarding the sub, I like it inside the L/R speakers somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The History Kid Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 1 minute ago, wvu80 said: My Onk 717 AVR 7.2 also has a specific setting in the menu for bi-amping. It does work for mid-range articulation, but it is subtle. You really have to have a critical ear to hear a difference, The manual tells you how to do the plumbing but it does NOT tell you what the electronic mechanism is. I would like to know the XO, how it divides the power, etc. I have asked "the Internet" on a couple of different sites and all I get is a guess, nobody has a definitive answer. I can "guess" too, but that doesn't help. What amazes me is that NOBODY knows and Onkyo isn't telling. I had a Yamaha that did this too, and both of my Fusions do it now. But there's no legitimate setting that gives me any kind of indication that it's been appropriately configured, nor does the sound appear any different. I still stick by the placebo effect, and opt to take those channels to mean I need more speakers...we always need more speakers, right? Right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Just now, IbizaFlame said: I had a Yamaha that did this too, and both of my Fusions do it now. But there's no legitimate setting that gives me any kind of indication that it's been appropriately configured That's what I'm saying, the ONK has a very specific internal setting for bi-amp, there IS a setting. You have to change the settings in the AVR with the menu if you're physically changing the cables from the terminals on the back panel. Maybe it sends different crossover signals, maybe it sends more power. Who KNOWS (not guesses)? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Prowlinger said: Well I will just skip the bi-amping. Just run some good 14 g wire to the speakers and you should be fine. How long are these wire runs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaPaul Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 It doesn’t take any special cable to connect for passive biamping. Just use another set of cables like the first. I could tell you that bundled biamp cables puts the hf and lf magnetic fields too close in proximity. Some believers claim separating the hf and lf magnetic fields is one goal of biamping. I am not a believer in magic cables. Amplifiers are voltage sources. Separate speaker sections impedance, current, and power are the same whether driven by one amplifier or separate amplifiers. Passive biamping doesn’t increase amplifier power, it divides the speaker impedance, current, and power between separate amplifiers. Passive biamping retains the passive crossover. The passive crossover impedance separates the high and low frequency current. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzzer Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 2 hours ago, IowaPaul said: It doesn’t take any special cable to connect for passive biamping. Just use another set of cables like the first. I could tell you that bundled biamp cables puts the hf and lf magnetic fields too close in proximity. Some believers claim separating the hf and lf magnetic fields is one goal of biamping. I am not a believer in magic cables. Amplifiers are voltage sources. Separate speaker sections impedance, current, and power are the same whether driven by one amplifier or separate amplifiers. Passive biamping doesn’t increase amplifier power, it divides the speaker impedance, current, and power between separate amplifiers. Passive biamping retains the passive crossover. The passive crossover impedance separates the high and low frequency current. The original post was made three years ago and the original poster hasn't visited this site since then. What's up with all these old posts being brought back from the dead lately anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnV Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 5/3/2020 at 2:13 AM, wuzzzer said: The original post was made three years ago and the original poster hasn't visited this site since then. What's up with all these old posts being brought back from the dead lately anyway? yeah, well, it's topics to chat on. Not to mention what is being talked about here is BI-WIRING, not bi-amping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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